Norinco T97 Non Restricted PRESALE!
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Second pic from link, rifle in back ground. Is it a flat top 97??
Do you know who it is that sent in a sample and got it approved, and when that took place?
I don't want to be the harbinger of doom and gloom, but... there seems to be a deafening silence on the details here. At least four retailers now say that they are bringing these in. There is no way four different parties are independently importing these. I would like to know who is the prime mover behind this, and what steps they have taken.
I have it straight from the horse's mouth (Murray A. Smith, Firearms Section, RCMP Forensics Laboratory Services, testifying under oath in Vancouver) that no new "semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm" (whatever that means, but you can take it to the bank that any semi-automatic T95/T97-style firearm will fall into that category in their minds) will be available in Canada unless a sample has been submitted and approved. I would really like to know when that process took place, and who initiated it.
I'm going to see if I can get someone to check the FRT for me and see if there is actually an updated entry in there for a new T97 firearm with a non-restricted classification. That should be simple to do. In the past people have even posted FRT images here on CGN. I would really like to see that, not because I don't believe it, but because I WANT it to be true. If instead there are a big batch of firearms which will be shipped to Canada from China in the Spring, and the "sample" will come from that batch, then... honestly... I weep for this country, its firearms owners, and particularly its firearms businesses.
All the other versions of the T97 were "built as semi-auto" as well. We even had letters from the factory stating same.
The issue is going to be whether they ever make it out of the possession of the CBSA. They still have CanAm's old shipment to this day. The scenario that happened with the original small shipment from Lever (where they make it out into the public before the Government realizes they have a problem) is never going to happen again. The federal government has already spent untold thousands in litigation over the Type 97A carbine. Believe me, they are well aware of all the issues. There isn't going to be any "too late to fix it now" scenario.
This is my question as well. Can someone please post .pdf or some kind of image of the new FRT. This one area where, given the history, asking people to submit credit card number for per-authorization without showing that the process has been complied with is just bad news. Sure, I get that everyone wants one, but that is not the issue. I think as a firearms community we need someone to come out and say, "I am the importer. This is what I've done on this."
I like the approach Tactical Imports is taking with their novel firearms imports. They list it right on their website when a sample has been submitted, when they are expecting an answer, etc. I note that they have been working on some of their new products for quite awhile now.
As I say, I don't want to be a stick-in-the-mud. I want this to be true, but this is happening way faster than any other similar situation in recent history... unless of course a new firearm was designed and a sample submitted last year... when we were still in court with the Federal government. I heard nothing about it then, and I've only heard a little bit about it from CanAm Chris since then - and he doesn't seem to be at the forefront of all this. Did somebody take his baby and run with it and get it approved? Something doesn't add up here... I think the importer really needs to clear the air here. If this hasn't followed the proper steps, and all these pre-orders have been taken, cards pre-authorized, everyone gets excited... if this doesn't come through in the Spring like everyone hopes, this is going to be a body-blow for Canadian firearms businesses and firearms owners.
Maybe you are not the center of the universe...?? Maybe life and firearm imports and classifications go on Without YOU.
These businesses go on just fine without YOU.
You don't need too know their dealings with the Government or their private business dealings.
Only one dealer asked for a deposit. Others just wanted a online commitment. And judging by the response, they will have no trouble selling out.
Sorry YOU were left out of the loop, No one really cares about your former experience....We are all super happy YOU know it All. Wow, you are soooo special.
But in the end. Pft...whatever.........
I don't think so. I believe its another similar rifle, as the charging handle must be relocated. Definitively a bullpup flat top though, but I doubt its a T-97.
Firstly thanks ghostie for bringing the FRT issue up to help everyone "manage expectations". I for one have this on top of my buy list bumping all others so want confirmation will have it in Spring otherwise will get one of the upcoming cheap AR15.
Wow, after ghostie went to the extensive effort to warn all about history repeating itself and caveat emptor all you do is belittle the effort with wishful, hopeful rhetoric. A valid issue has been raised so you just want to stick your head back in the sand, WOW
Wow, after ghostie went to the extensive effort to warn all about history repeating itself and caveat emptor all you do is belittle the effort with wishful, hopeful rhetoric. A valid issue has been raised so you just want to stick your head back in the sand, WOW
Firstly thanks ghostie for bringing the FRT issue up to help everyone "manage expectations". I for one have this on top of my buy list bumping all others so want confirmation will have it in Spring otherwise will get one of the upcoming cheap AR15.
Wow, after ghostie went to the extensive effort to warn all about history repeating itself and caveat emptor all you do is belittle the effort with wishful, hopeful rhetoric. A valid issue has been raised so you just want to stick your head back in the sand, WOW
Yah... thanks for the reasonablness. I thought post was a little on the "Wow" side myself, but that's fine. There is room for all opinions here. I am going to get to the bottom of this new T97 situation, definitively, and I'm going to do it within the next couple of days. I don't want to interfere with anyone's commercial venture any more than I already have, so I won't post in this section any further. But if anyone wants to know if this is: (a) sample verified, FRT already issued for a non-restricted T97, good to be shipped out as soon as they hit Canadian shores; or (b) something else (i.e., hoping to get a non-restircted classification once they are made, and show up in Canada in the Spring,and a sample is submitted), feel free to contact me and I'll let you know. I'm hoping it is (a), but these things don't run on hope.
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