unanswered question about the new T97

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I appologize in advance for upsetting anybody's apple cart, and to those who think I'm a know-it-all jerk. My goal is to simply try and mitigate another round of T97 fiasco in this country.

It is my opinion, yes I said "opinion", that it has been strongly implied (at the very least) on this board over the last several days that a new FRT# has been issued for a "Type 97" rifle made in China with a 19.5" barrel which has been classified as "non-restricted".

I checked the FRT and no such FRT# currently exisits (as Dec. 5, 2012) when searching through T97, T97A, T95, QBZ-95 or related firearms.

What there is:
Type 95 - FRT 126102 (dash 1, 2, 6, 7, 9) - 5.8X42 CHINESE - various barrel lengths - all Prohibited
Type 97 - FRT 126110 (dash 1-9) - 5.56MM NATO (-9 is 9MM NATO) - various barrel lengths - all Prohibited
Type 97A - FRT 127807-1 - 5.56MM NATO - 490mm barrel (19.3") - Prohibited
Type 97A - FRT 129254 (dash 1-4) - 223 REM - 480mm barrel (18.9") - all Prohibited
Type 97A - FRT 129257 (dash 1-9) - 223 REM - various barrel lengths - all Prohibited
Type 97A Sniper Rifle - FRT 129752 (dash 1 and 2) - 5.56MM NATO - 620mm barrel (24.5") - Non-restricted (this is the T88 sniper being sold by T.I.)

So, somebody please tell me that this firearm that everyone has been whipped into a frenzy over is listed under some different name somewhere in the FRT.

If the plan is to wait until the firearms are made, then shipped to Canada, then a sample is submitted for classification - and the importer is confident that the firearm will be classified as non-restricted - I think that is legitimate as well, but people need to be told this if pre-orders are being taken. If people are being told that an FRT# for a non-res 19.5" T97 already exists - or they are allowed to continue in that belief when it is not the case - I personally feel that is unfair.

Anything called a "T97" has baggage in this country. There needs to be some special attention attention paid to this in the case of any "T97". I want to see the T97 come back to this country, and I totally believe it can and will be done, but at this point I don't believe there has been a full and fair disclosure of a crucial point. If it is in the FRT somewhere and I am just not seeing, please let me know. I want this to work too.
 
Many people have asked, and quite a few have said "yup there is an FRT for non restricted", but as you've said and now pointed out there appears to be no such FRT.

Wish someone would come out with the FRT number to put an end to the speculation.

I figure getting in on a no money down pre-sale is a pretty safe deal. Worst can happen is I don't get a gun.

Not sure how the search query is setup on the FRT system. Could it have missed T97NSR? Or some version of name?
 
The dealers who are bringing in this new batch needs to speak up.
And why has CanadaAmmo not spoken one word to this new game changing development?
 
Could it be listed under another name like Polytech?
Norinco doesnt actually build guns, they are just the marketing machine for the Chinese state arms factories, IIRC.


I sort of got caught up in the excitement as well. I updated my 4 year old YouTube video.
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I don't think so. All these types of names and labels are all over those FRT's.

Poly Technologies; Chinese State Arsenals' POLYTECH CHINA; China Poly Group Corporation; QBZ-95; "this is a variant of the QBZ (Qing Buquiang Zu or Light Rifle Family)"; "Qing Bu-Qiang Zi-Dong 1995 Si - in English "Infantry, Automatic Rifle Type 1995"; "NORINCO" is the trade-name of China North Industries Corporation; "Norinco" is a Chinese State marketing agency that sells products of the Chinese State Arsenals; "Norinco" is not a manufacturer; "Poly Technologies" is the trade name of "Poly Technologies International Incorporated", a marketing agency which is a subsidiary of the Chinese People's Liberation Army; "China Jin An" is the sales branch of the Ministry of Public Security, etc., etc., etc.

There would need to be a seperate FRT number. At least a "dash-something" of a pre-existing number.
 
Call the CFP. Get patched through to the good folks in Ottawa who look after classifications. Get it right from the horse's mouth, so to speak, instead of trying FRT searches.
 
tootall said:
I sort of got caught up in the excitement as well. I updated my 4 year old YouTube video.
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I remember watching this video 'back then', and I'm still excited about the prospect of a non-restricted T97!!!

Cheers
Jay
P.S. I'm also scratching my head that non-one has posted the FRT#... Weird!
 
The system might not be updated yet.

Seeing how the last round of T97's went one would think the lab would get this right the first time around.

It would be illogical to do so otherwise.
 
This is the ppost that theSHARK refers to:
North_Sylva said:
OK.

I have been monitoring this forum for a few days and this is the first opportunity I've had to post as It has been a busy week.

Let's set the record straight regarding the T97NSR, I wanted the be the first to post about it, but some excited dealers beat me to it.

For well over a year now, North Sylva has been working very hard with Chinese State Arsenals to redesign the receiver on the original T97A rifle. A few prototypes were created, and after a few tries, it seemed we finally got it right.

This newly made firearm will be know as the T97NSR. It is important to note that this is NOT a T97A. It has been completely redesigned from the ground up. We are currently in the process of finalizing on the FRT number and the new sample should be approved shortly. If everything goes according to plan, these should be in stores hopefully by early spring.

Please feel free to ask any questions you may have.

Thanks,
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I don't get why everyone is getting excited over the wannabe T97 that will be sold in Canada. If its had to be completely redesigned and is different from the original then it's no different than getting a ruger 10/22 dressed up in an aluminum housing to somewhat resemble an AR-15.
 
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mildcustom2 said:
I don't get why everyone is getting excited over the wannabe T97 that will be sold in Canada. If its had to be completely redesigned and is different from the original then it's no different than getting a ruler 10/22 dressed up in an aluminum housing to somewhat resemble an AR-15.
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mildcustom2 said:
i don't get why everyone is getting excited over the wannabe t97 that will be sold in canada. If its had to be completely redesigned and is different from the original then it's no different than getting a ruler 10/22 dressed up in an aluminum housing to somewhat resemble an ar-15.
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What.

No really, what?
 
From North Sylva's Sponsor forum:

OK.

I have been monitoring this forum for a few days and this is the first opportunity I've had to post as It has been a busy week.

Let's set the record straight regarding the T97NSR, I wanted the be the first to post about it, but some excited dealers beat me to it.

For well over a year now, North Sylva has been working very hard with Chinese State Arsenals to redesign the receiver on the original T97A rifle. A few prototypes were created, and after a few tries, it seemed we finally got it right.

This newly made firearm will be know as the T97NSR. It is important to note that this is NOT a T97A. It has been completely redesigned from the ground up. We are currently in the process of finalizing on the FRT number and the new sample should be approved shortly. If everything goes according to plan, these should be in stores hopefully by early spring.

Please feel free to ask any questions you may have.

Thanks,


So that says to me (TV-PressPass) that the FRT is not currently finalized, but that they are expecting it to be shortly.
 
darn ipad spell checker !!!!

It's no different than buying a kit car because you can't have the original.

Someone's pulled the trigger on this way to early. Listing preorders for a gun not even approved yet and posting pics that may not even resemble the final product.
 
mildcustom2 said:
darn ipad spell checker !!!!

It's no different than buying a kit car because you can't have the original.

Someone's pulled the trigger on this way to early. Listing preorders for a gun not even approved yet and posting pics that may not even resemble the final product.
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Wtf are you talking about? It is the same gun, just the trigger mechanism and receiver are redesigned so it cannot be made full automatic or accept full auto trigger components.
 
Cadgo, I can never take your anger seriously with that happy dancing hippo in your sigline. :D

He's dancing right?

I would say there is a crucial difference between promoting a product that is "non-restricted" and a product that is just about to get non-restricted status.

People might be angry about that difference, and I could understand that from them.
 
cadgo said:
Wtf are you talking about? It is the same gun, just the trigger mechanism and receiver are redesigned so it cannot be made full automatic or accept full auto trigger components.
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How do you know that? Have you seen one in person yet? You on the design team?

To quote North Sylva " it has been complete redesigned from the ground up "

Even retailers pictures of it vary from site to site.

The truth will be revealed " IF " this gun ever makes it onto the Canadian Market.
 
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