80% lowers?

The 80% stuff is an American thing. In Canada, the laws are less clear. It's been said by the RCMP that once you intend to make a gun , it's a gun. Therefore, the 80% thing doesn't fly.

I don't know of anyone selling them now that the gestapo have deemed it verboten.
 
Also, please be careful when buying '80%' lowers. Recently I saw some for sale that if you completed them, would promptly be seized by the RCMP when you tried to register it as the fire control group pocket was cut for an auto-sear.
 
Armedsask said:
The 80% stuff is an American thing. In Canada, the laws are less clear. It's been said by the RCMP that once you intend to make a gun , it's a gun. Therefore, the 80% thing doesn't fly.

I don't know of anyone selling them now that the gestapo have deemed it verboten.
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I had an interesting talk with one of the techs at the CFC about 80% lowers.

I did some checking.......

80% lowers are uncontrolled by ITAR. So shipping is no problem.
There is no duty at the border on them, just GST.

I called the CFC, no problem they said. Once the lower is capable of taking the fire control parts call us and we will register it. We may ask for pictures. I was also told they do several a month..........

I just received shipment of a 80% lower from some very nice people south of the border. I called they took my CC and shipped the lower, jig and tools no trouble. The package was even opened by CBSA. Absolutely no trouble!

Look for a thread I will be starting after the weekend, maybe not for a week or 2 as I will be waiting until it is registered before I post pics etc.

Cheers!
 
notsorichguy said:
I had an interesting talk with one of the techs at the CFC about 80% lowers.

I did some checking.......

80% lowers are uncontrolled by ITAR. So shipping is no problem.
There is no duty at the border on them, just GST.

I called the CFC, no problem they said. Once the lower is capable of taking the fire control parts call us and we will register it. We may ask for pictures. I was also told they do several a month..........

I just received shipment of a 80% lower from some very nice people south of the border. I called they took my CC and shipped the lower, jig and tools no trouble. The package was even opened by CBSA. Absolutely no trouble!

Look for a thread I will be starting after the weekend, maybe not for a week or 2 as I will be waiting until it is registered before I post pics etc.

Cheers!
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Uhhh..... that is not true. Even a blank forging that has had zero work done to it is ITAR controlled. Whoever sent it to you broke US export laws and they'll end up in a huge pile of crap if caught. The fines that can be received are more than enough to bankrupt a business. Next time you do some checking you may want to check with the folks who take care of ITAR exports, the US Dept of State.

I can't speak as to the legality of the product in Canada. RCMP seem to writing the rules as they go. Last I heard they were still legal but Dlask was getting hassled enough that they may have stopped offering them.
 
Leg said:
Uhhh..... that is not true. Even a blank forging that has had zero work done to it is ITAR controlled. Whoever sent it to you broke US export laws and they'll end up in a huge pile of crap if caught. The fines that can be received are more than enough to bankrupt a business. Next time you do some checking you may want to check with the folks who take care of ITAR exports, the US Dept of State.

I can't speak as to the legality of the product in Canada. RCMP seem to writing the rules as they go. Last I heard they were still legal but Dlask was getting hassled enough that they may have stopped offering them.
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I called and talked to 4 different sellers of 80% lowers. They all said the same thing. Not ITAR controlled. No problems shipping to Canada. If they broke the law I would be surprised......

As far as the RCMP goes, I asked for and recived the techs name etc. I also provided my name and contact info. I have a record of who I talked to and when as well as a description of the conversation. If I get into some legal trouble over this at least I won't go to jail....... But to be absolutely honest the way the tech was talking, there is not going to be an issue whatsoever. Now if I didn't have a RPAL, different story.......

Cheers!
 
Armedsask said:
The 80% stuff is an American thing. In Canada, the laws are less clear. It's been said by the RCMP that once you intend to make a gun , it's a gun. Therefore, the 80% thing doesn't fly.

I don't know of anyone selling them now that the gestapo have deemed it verboten.
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Armedsask, I generally agree with what you have to say and respect your opinion, but this is wrong. The 80% thing does "Fly" in Canada, I have talked to the CFC about them. Furthermore, it is not verboten to own one, to buy one, to sell one, OR to build a firearm out of one if you jump through the proper hoops to get it registered properly. Dlask may have stopped advertising them because they were taking heat for it, BUT, they are not verboten! PLEASE do not keep spreading false information.
 
Why would you want to get 80% lower anyways?
People do it in the us so they don't have to register it or put a serial number on it after it is build into a rifle.
But in canada you need to register the gun anyways..
 
notsorichguy said:
Well judging from the PMs I've been getting, that is exactly why people want to do it here as well.......

I'm starting to think maybe I should have just kept this to myself.........
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Facepalm. Again.

By that logic, why did you buy one for yourself in the first place? This site is going full retard I swear to god.
 
greg11 said:
Facepalm. Again.

By that logic, why did you buy one for yourself in the first place? This site is going full retard I swear to god.
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I bought one so I could see how hard it was. I know I have the skills to do the work. I have at this point done everything I can with an AR 15 except complete an 80% lower, or an upper for that matter.....

Was it worth the $300 I spent on a jig etc. and a lower to do this? Not by a long shot. But if money was the only motivation I wouldn't own more than 1 gun.....
 
andrew3081 said:
Why would you want to get 80% lower anyways?
People do it in the us so they don't have to register it or put a serial number on it after it is build into a rifle.
But in canada you need to register the gun anyways..
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Same reason people buy project cars. For the challenge and satisfaction. Not everyone is useless with anything besides a keyboard.
 
I know a place in Canada (In Winnipeg) That Makes Real Nice 1911 ones. Ill Start a new Post on them next month. When i Ask the Seller if i can post his web site.
(They also sell Jig's to complete them) & REAL!! Nice 1911 Slide Rail cutters
 
Give it enough time and we'll have printers that could easily produce a plastic 80 or 100% complete lower reciever.

It would be kind of cool to see where that could take someone with a bit of creativity. Would a lower designed to only take a mag for a .22LR upper classify as an AR, requiring registration as restricted, or could it pass as an unrestricted firearm? Might one be able to produce lowers that would be non-restricted so long as it's coupled with a pump action upper, single shot, crossbow etc?

Of course I fear that if it becomes too easy to replicate a lower that the law will be modified to control the other necessary parts.
 
8 ball said:
Armedsask, I generally agree with what you have to say and respect your opinion, but this is wrong. The 80% thing does "Fly" in Canada, I have talked to the CFC about them. Furthermore, it is not verboten to own one, to buy one, to sell one, OR to build a firearm out of one if you jump through the proper hoops to get it registered properly. Dlask may have stopped advertising them because they were taking heat for it, BUT, they are not verboten! PLEASE do not keep spreading false information.
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I guess they must have changed things since the last time I was talking with someone about them.
 
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