Norinco T97 Non Restricted PRESALE!

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Yupp. I'm also thankful for the info. It's easy to sensationalize things online and lash out at people who are downplaying your topic of enthusiasm, particularly in a unpersonal setting like an online forum. That's being said, everything he said is factually correct and I was completely unaware of most of the issues ghostie raised. So I for one and thankful, at least this way of things don't work out I won't be completely blindside if my new black rifle doesn't show up in the spring.
 
sly mantis said:
I know cbabes in person and he's a friend of mine. Like he said, dont take anything he says too seriously. He does just like to stir the pot and get people riled up.

As far as ghosties comments, he makes some very valid points and he was correct on the lack of FRT.

However do i agree with ghosties statement that a preorder on this is "pointless. No. D

oes it bother me or affect my decision on a preorder that no FRT is approved yet? Not even slightly. I was one of the first 8 people preordered from SFRC for this. So if it is approved and arrives i will be one of the first people holding this rifle in my hand and not regretting that i didnt preorder like the people who were "concerned" that there is no FRT. Remember, my preorder cost me NOTHING from SFRC. which is how it should be done.

As far as his other note that NS submitted the T97NS recently and it got prohibited, that doest discourage me. In fact that information incourages me. YOu know why? Because we didnt see a preorder for teh T97NS. That tells me that they submitted and didnt let any dealers know because they didnt know what the classification status would be. Which also tells me they probably got alot of feed back on why made it classified as prohib and worked to fix it in the 97NSR version before it is submitted. Also the fact that they have informed dealers of teh NSR version shows that they have confidence they've addressed all the issues and that this one goes through.

Oh no, but what if it doesnt got through? Again, ive lost nothing in my preorder. Will i be disappointed. Yes, but i wont regret putting my preorder in for the chance to be one of the first to have this rifle if it does go though.


The one thing ghostie does bring up is teh dealer that is requiring a deposit. That i do not agree with and a deposit on a rifle that's not approved isnt the right thing to do. That is why SFRC got my order because they are preordering with no deposit.

If it doesnt get approved, guess what? Im out no money. Nothing was charged to me.

And again if these dont show up then we've lost nothing with our SFRC preorder. But if these do come in, myself and Cbabes will be driving up together to SFRC to pick up our rifles and right to the range after to shoot the crap out of them.
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Thanks Sly.

ghostie said:
I did go find it myself, and I posted everything in the black rifle forum. In fact, I am just about the only one on here who did anything other than have my eyes glaze over at the prospect of playing with a new black rifle toy, even when what was coming from the retailers was so obviously implausible given the history of the T97.

Did you know that just within the last 4 weeks North Sylva had their "T97NS prototype" classified as Prohibited? Look it up yourself, or find somebody that knows how to do it, if you don't believe me. It is all there in the publically accessible records. The classification of firearms is not some private matter between a business and the government.

Now, after just having been rejected, North Sylva are giving it another try.... hoping to get a classification other than Prohibited. I commend them for that. This will be attempt number 5, by my count, to try and bring a Restricted or Non-Restricted version of the T97 to the Canadian market. I sincerely wish them luck with this. I hope this is the one, I hope it happens and I hope it happens quickly, but for now we all need to snap out of this Type 97 frenzy and calm down. It's just an application at this point. There has been no approval of anything. The pre-ordering of unapproved firearms is pointless, and I would say actively harmful to these businesses.

There is at least one dealer whose website is still saying "approved for Canada as Non-Restricted" and "coming in Early Spring 2013", which is all pure speculation, and they are taking $250 deposits. 200 pre-orders with a $250 deposit = $50,000. Do you not see a problem here?
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I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. You came off as a know it all. I hate know it alls. :) It this case though you do seem to know it all. lol Thanks!
 
Isn't that the way these days...an expert (in this case, a lawyer) comments on a topic within his realm of expertise and people get their nose out of joint and begin calling him a "know-it-all". It reminds me of the PST/HST debate in BC...the mob dismissed the comments of economists/chartered accountants. On taxation and the economy! Bunch of know-it-alls!

Anyway, Ghostie, do you have any idea why the retailers seem more confident than ever before that these guns are going to be approved/put on their shelves? I wondered if, through the successive attempts, they have been told that if they do "a, b & c" then the gun will meet non-res standards? And, of course, that they feel they have met these tests with the T97NSR...?

Your thoughts on this would be most welcome.
 
I am in the first twenty or so on the pre order list at SFRC. If it comes in it comes in. It never cost me a thing plus I get free shipping if it does get approved.( Thanks Ryan Hehehe) If they don't get approved I lose nothing. No big deal.
 
burnaby said:
Have you been asleep or what. Didn't want to bring this up but You probably didn't like his manner cause dude talks like a lawyer. Clear, concise, objective questions bothers those with things to hide.

AND EVERYONE cares, but most didn't have the knowledge about the FRT.

Perhaps you may want to keep your thoughts to yourself. Of course everyone has a right to express their opinion; keep on embarrassing yourself at your pleasure. Sure many are having a good laugh at your expense.
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wasnt what was said, it was how it was said.

i get that for you its tough to make this distinction. just google social skills and have a go at trying to get it :)
off to the uni to study and meet up with my 20 yr old gf.
ill leave the internet to you, the king of the interwebs
 
I'm off to spend my T97 reserve money on XMas specials this week. Don't need to save up for the unlikely expenditure in Spring. I'm one of the weird, rare folks that actually budget and plan my spending to avoid those ulcers.

To all those who indiscriminately impulse buys thanks for all the EE fire sales. :)
 
Enough has already been said about how it was said, the smart ones are thanking the "know it all" for his expertise. Sorry your feeling was hurt, NUFF SAID.

As for social skills when you get out of school, get a real job, get some street smarts, get nasty managers like myself with real skills to whip you "social skills" gifted kids into shape then perhaps this discussion can continue. Till then thanks in advance for the free entertainment on what NOT to do. Kids nowadays :redface:
Bananatole said:
wasnt what was said, it was how it was said.

i get that for you its tough to make this distinction. just google social skills and have a go at trying to get it :)
off to the uni to study and meet up with my 20 yr old gf.
ill leave the internet to you, the king of the interwebs
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So are these now non-restricted again? I haven't been following this for awhile but last I remember the RCMP was trying to say they were fully automatic and classified them as prohibited. Can anybody bring me up to speed?
 
Basically from what I gather after filtering through this thread, is that the importer tells us they are NR, with re-engineered internals so that a full auto mod is not possible. The debate is over how the RCMP will classify them, some people believe that there is a strong chance they'll be prohibited again. The T97-NSR has not been entered into the firearm reference table - yet. I think everyone is waiting to see what actually happens.
 
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What is with the placement of the selector?
 
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