Black (or red or green) Rifles Accurate Enough for Hunting and Self-Defense?

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Hey,

If I had one black (or red or green) rifle, and needed to use it for self-defense & hunting (let's see everything from deer down), particularly in a shtf scenario, what might you suggest?

Thanks
 
Depends on your budget, there are many:

sks
cz 858 or the 556 version
swiss arms
ACR
XCR
Tavor
M14

And yes they are accurate enough for hunting, they are used every year all across Canada to hunt with. I am sure I missed some this is just off the top of my head.

Shawn
 
Any of them will be accurate for hunting and self defense. If they weren't the military would not use them.
Get an AR15 in the $1000 range and it will do anything you can reasonably ask of it. Get one in the $600 range and it will probably still work for you.

However, they are not benchrest guns. They're not going to be putting all bullets into a 0.25" hole at a hundred yards, but every single AR I have ever heard of, assuming it is properly maintained, will easily be capable of practical accuracy. By that I mean capable of a kill shot on a man or deer sized target out to ranges of 250 to 300 yards. From what I have seen, anything less than 6moa is capable of reliable "accuracy". For farther ranges you have DMR and purpose built long range rifles. A big part of it is pickig your battles. It seems that lots of people will take an offhand shot at a target 600 yards away, or pick up a gun for the first time and shoot a handful of bullets, and immediately proclaim that the gun is not accurate. That is an inherently flawed technique as it relies primarily on user error.

As a big example of what I mean, the Mini14 is regularly called too inaccurate to use, and every single one I have heard of shoots under 6moa. Enough to guarantee a hit on a deer at a hundred yards with a center mass shot, and enough to guarantee a hit on the vitals at less range. People use benchrest accuracy to judge practical rifles.

So, the short of it is buy any brand of AR you want, get experienced with it, maybe replace a few parts to make it suit you better. The S&W ARs should be arriving in country soon at something like a $800 price point, that could be a good choice. Or Stag, or DD, or Noveske, or Hera, or Colt, or ATRS, or KAC, or Motiuk, or BCM, or...

They'll all work, the problem is that the government won't let us hunt with them. If NR status is your goal, check out the XCR or ACR. Expensive, but they should work.
 
For hunting you don't need a crazy accurate gun...If you can hit a 8x11" piece of paper with it you'll be good to go.

Good luck with that "self-defense" fantasy
 
Stevebot-7 said:
Any of them will be accurate for hunting and self defense. If they weren't the military would not use them.
Get an AR15 in the $1000 range and it will do anything you can reasonably ask of it. Get one in the $600 range and it will probably still work for you.

However, they are not benchrest guns. They're not going to be putting all bullets into a 0.25" hole at a hundred yards, but every single AR I have ever heard of, assuming it is properly maintained, will easily be capable of practical accuracy. By that I mean capable of a kill shot on a man or deer sized target out to ranges of 250 to 300 yards. From what I have seen, anything less than 6moa is capable of reliable "accuracy". For farther ranges you have DMR and purpose built long range rifles. A big part of it is pickig your battles. It seems that lots of people will take an offhand shot at a target 600 yards away, or pick up a gun for the first time and shoot a handful of bullets, and immediately proclaim that the gun is not accurate. That is an inherently flawed technique as it relies primarily on user error.

As a big example of what I mean, the Mini14 is regularly called too inaccurate to use, and every single one I have heard of shoots under 6moa. Enough to guarantee a hit on a deer at a hundred yards with a center mass shot, and enough to guarantee a hit on the vitals at less range. People use benchrest accuracy to judge practical rifles.

So, the short of it is buy any brand of AR you want, get experienced with it, maybe replace a few parts to make it suit you better. The S&W ARs should be arriving in country soon at something like a $800 price point, that could be a good choice. Or Stag, or DD, or Noveske, or Hera, or Colt, or ATRS, or KAC, or Motiuk, or BCM, or...

They'll all work, the problem is that the government won't let us hunt with them. If NR status is your goal, check out the XCR or ACR. Expensive, but they should work.
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While I don't disagree with anything you said, you cant legally hunt with an AR so I would say it is not an option based on the requirements the OP posted. Which is why I never included it.

Shawn
 
I'd say get an AR, except someone will point out they're restricted. And then the inevitable "what's the cheapest AR for under $1000" questions will arise, which will devolve into an NEA vs. Norc thread, how HKs suck (and they hate us), why KAC or Noveske are the best (or not) - and will ultimately move into discussions of other rifles such as the SL8 (too heavy, bulky), XCR-L (loctite), MR1 (think red-headed step child) and eventually devolve into the Su-16F and Mini-14 being declared the winners.

Until, that is - we head for the abyss by bringing in the AK-47 (CZ), SKS, etc. and a healthy discussion about the stupidity of our magazine laws and rivets.

I won't even bring up bullpups, because it would be altogether too tempting for TDC - and I know he's on a 12-step AR program. ;)

So my official answer is a big ugly stick. Non-restricted length of course. :)
 
Are any of the non-restricted models compatible with the slide fire stock?

A good and fair answer was posted almost immediately, I hope you got the answer you were looking for.
(Thanks for posting that world war z trailer again. I can't wait to see it, might actualy go to the theater and everything)
 
My 2 cents worth? The SKS for sure. Ammo is inexpensive and currently readily available, both soft point and ball. It provides acceptable hunting accuracy especially if you reload, and the rifles are plentiful. As mentioned earlier, as to home defense, you would probably find yourself imprisoned and all your firearms confiscated if you had the temerity to shoot an intruder and defend your home and property. At least in Ontario.
 
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