blaxsun
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It's my first official shotgun. A Benelli 14" Supernova Tactical. Shoots really well!
Is the Dream Dead?
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It's my first official shotgun. A Benelli 14" Supernova Tactical. Shoots really well!
Agreed, but IIRC his most recent campaign promise was the scrapping of the LGR. Getting polititians to keep campaign promises is hard enough without bringing up promises from years past.
I think everyone needs to remember that MANY outside sources will be scanning these pages in the coming days, looking for some sort of tone or trend. If they sense weakness, they can and will capitalize on it.
Stay strong, brothers. The recent tragedy in the US has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with law-abiding Canadian gun owners. Being a defeatist does nothing but provide the enemy with ammo they can use against us.
Paul
Stay strong, brothers. The recent tragedy in the US has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with law-abiding Canadian gun owners. Being a defeatist does nothing but provide the enemy with ammo they can use against us.
Paul
In the past 10 years, but 5 years even more so, canada has slightly distanced itself from being the blurry mirror image of the US it once was. We don't follow the leader nearly as much and I think this could very likely help us of the firearm persuasion.
At the end of the day, we need to thank our lucky stars Harper is where he is and has done what he HAS done for us. Imagine the consequences of a liberal majority in canada! If you think what the US is facing is bad... Man, we'd have it much worse. Just look at how messed up Ontario is right now.
At the end of the day, we need to thank our lucky stars Harper is where he is and has done what he HAS done for us. Imagine the consequences of a liberal majority in canada! If you think what the US is facing is bad... Man, we'd have it much worse. Just look at how messed up Ontario is right now.
blaxsun
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It's all going to be spun bullsh*t anyway...
I still believe we'll see the important things come about. S.91 being dealt with, and ATT's rolled into the license. Those are things CONSISTENT with Conservative policy, and not actually asking for something new. It's about what's right and fair, and that's still possible.
I never expected magazine limits to change. That's a non starter I think. As for the class system being addressed, that's a lot less likely now, but still possible. Remember, we have The FIREARMS ACT, and as it stands, it's not being applied properly. Again, that's a technical issue that can be addressed, but, as for asking for something new, or, a "rollback", we're SOL on that. We MUST focus on what CAN/SHOULD be addressed, and those things are technical issues that don't mean changing/introducing new laws.
S.91
ATT's (as already provided for in the legislation)
Firearm equality under the current classification system.
These are the things that Tony himself has indicated are the priority of the Firearms Adivsory Council, and is all that's acheivable at this time with this government. Notice how silent our contacts have been on the current issues. These things are still possible, as, they are a blight upon the act, and do nothing in the name of public safety. That's what it comes back to, and if we can demonstrate how these don't take away from public safety, but at the same time benefit law abiding Canadians, then it's a no brainer for this government.
I never expected magazine limits to change. That's a non starter I think. As for the class system being addressed, that's a lot less likely now, but still possible. Remember, we have The FIREARMS ACT, and as it stands, it's not being applied properly. Again, that's a technical issue that can be addressed, but, as for asking for something new, or, a "rollback", we're SOL on that. We MUST focus on what CAN/SHOULD be addressed, and those things are technical issues that don't mean changing/introducing new laws.
S.91
ATT's (as already provided for in the legislation)
Firearm equality under the current classification system.
These are the things that Tony himself has indicated are the priority of the Firearms Adivsory Council, and is all that's acheivable at this time with this government. Notice how silent our contacts have been on the current issues. These things are still possible, as, they are a blight upon the act, and do nothing in the name of public safety. That's what it comes back to, and if we can demonstrate how these don't take away from public safety, but at the same time benefit law abiding Canadians, then it's a no brainer for this government.
LordEvilPepper
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well.... another nail in the coffin of me getting to legaly unpin my mags. I love having to spend $200 on what a $7 mag should hold since I need 6 of them and have to "pay for the pin". So Fing retarded, since If i ever went on a shooting spree (and im not) the first thing that would happen is I would take a drill to the rivets giving me hi cap mags in a matter of minutes. Every time a shooting happens the media justify the mag cap feel good law and I want to tear some hair out.
I get the feeling that the world is heading towards "banraku" (movie with woody harrelson) were everyone world wide agreed to ban guns . So instead everyone just kills each other with swords and the world is run by warlords since only those who are masters of the killing arts and brutality can actualy gain political power.
I get the feeling that the world is heading towards "banraku" (movie with woody harrelson) were everyone world wide agreed to ban guns . So instead everyone just kills each other with swords and the world is run by warlords since only those who are masters of the killing arts and brutality can actualy gain political power.
blaxsun
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Never bring a sword to a gun fight...
slowpoke55
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I have been down with a cold so , I have not put my 2 cent in!
I have posted this information before.
I am hoping the every member of this froum , will google " school shooting and psychiatric drugs ".
Then post your findings on a social media of your choices.
The pharmaceutical companies need to be held accountable for there role in these events.
At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. It is important to note the following lists cases where the information about the shooters psychiatric drug use was made public. To give an example, although it is known that James Holmes, suspected perpetrator of the Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting, was seeing psychiatrist Lynne Fenton, there has been no mention of what psychiatric drugs he may have been taking—though it is highly probably he was taking psychiatric drugs considering he was under a psychiatrist’s “care”. Also note that all these mass shootings didn’t just occur in the United States.
Of these 14, seven were seeing either a psychiatrist (5 of them) or psychologist (2 of them). It is not known whether or not the other half were seeing a psychiatrist, as it has not been published.
1. Huntsville, Alabama – February 5, 2010: 15-year-old Hammad Memon shot and killed another Discover Middle School student Todd Brown. Memon had a history for being treated for ADHD and depression. He was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.” He had been seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist.
2. Kauhajoki, Finland – September 23, 2008: 22-year-old culinary student Matti Saari shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. He was also seeing a psychologist.
3. Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system. He had been seeing a psychiatrist.
4. Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.
5. Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.
6. Red Lake, Minnesota – March 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 7 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.
7. Greenbush, New York – February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking “medication for depression”. He had previously seen a psychiatrist.
8. Wahluke, Washington – April 10, 2001: Sixteen-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. He had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.
9. El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School. He had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.
10. Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.
11. Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
12. Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold’s medical records remain sealed. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. Harris had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.
13. Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.
14. Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 25. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac. Kinkel had been attending “anger control classes” and was under the care of a psychologist.
10 additional recent murders and murder-suicides, resulting in 47 dead and 21 wounded:
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania – March 8, 2012: 30-year-old John Shick, former patient of University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) and former student at nearby Duquesne University, shot and killed one and injured six inside UPMC’s Western Psychiatrist Institute. Nine antidepressants were identified among the drugs police found in Shick’s apartment.
Seal Beach, California – October 12, 2011: Scott DeKraai, a harbor tugboat worker, entered the hair salon where his ex-wife worked, killing her and seven others and injuring one. At DeKraai’s initial hearing, his attorney indicated to the judge that DeKraai was prescribed the antidepressant Trazodone and the “mood stabilizer” Topamax.
Lakeland, Florida – May 3, 2009: Toxicology test results showed that 34-year-old Troy Bellar was on Tegretol, a drug prescribed for “bi-polar disorder,” when he shot and killed his wife and two of his three children in their home before killing himself.
Granberry Crossing, Alabama – April 26, 2009: 53-year-old Fred B. Davis shot and killed a police officer and wounded a sheriff’s deputy who had responded to a call that Davis had threatened a neighbor with a gun. Prescription drug bottles found at the scene showed that Davis was prescribed the antipsychotic drug Geodon.
Middletown, Maryland – April 17, 2009: Christopher Wood shot and killed his wife, three small children and himself inside their home. Toxicology test results verified that Wood had been taking the antidepressants Cymbalta and Paxil and the anti-anxiety drugs BuSpar and Xanax.
Concord, California – January 11, 2009: Jason Montes, 33, shot and killed his wife and then himself at home. Montes had earlier begun taking the antidepressant Prozac for depression related to his impending divorce and a recent bankruptcy.
Little Rock, Arkansas – August 14, 2008: Less than 48 hours after Timothy Johnson shot and killed Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney, the Little Rock Police declared they were investigating shooter’s use of the antidepressant Effexor, which was found in Johnson’s house. A Little Rock city police report later stated that Johnson “was on an anti-depressant and that the drug may have played a part in his ‘irrational and violent behavior.’”
Omaha, Nebraska – December 5, 2007: 19-year-old Robert Hawkins killed eight people and wounded five before committing suicide in an Omaha mall. Autopsy results confirmed he was under the influence of the “anti-anxiety” drug Valium.
North Meridian, Florida – July 8, 2003: Doug Williams killed five and wounded nine of his fellow Lockheed Martin employees before killing himself. Williams was reported as having been taking two antidepressants, Zoloft and Celexa, for depression after a failed marriage.
Wakefield, Massachusetts – December 26, 2000: 42-year-old computer technician Michael McDermott had been taking three antidepressants when he hunted down employees in the accounting and human resources offices where he worked, killing seven.
As far back as 1991, CCHR, along with numerous experts brought evidence before the US FDA that antidepressants were causing suicide and violence. The heavily Pharma-funded FDA panel ignored the evidence provided, and it would take 14 years, and a great deal of public pressure, for the FDA to finally issue it’s strongest warning, the black box, on antidepressants inducing suicidal ideation. 21 years later, the FDA has yet to issue a black box warning on antidepressants and other classes of psychiatric drugs documented by international regulatory agencies and studies to cause violence. This is not in the public’s interest, who deserve to be warned, it’s in Big Phama’s interest, upon whose funding the FDA heavily relies on.
I would be very interested to see what kind of prescriptions the latest shooter was on, before he went ballistic ?
I have posted this information before.
I am hoping the every member of this froum , will google " school shooting and psychiatric drugs ".
Then post your findings on a social media of your choices.
The pharmaceutical companies need to be held accountable for there role in these events.
At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. It is important to note the following lists cases where the information about the shooters psychiatric drug use was made public. To give an example, although it is known that James Holmes, suspected perpetrator of the Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting, was seeing psychiatrist Lynne Fenton, there has been no mention of what psychiatric drugs he may have been taking—though it is highly probably he was taking psychiatric drugs considering he was under a psychiatrist’s “care”. Also note that all these mass shootings didn’t just occur in the United States.
Of these 14, seven were seeing either a psychiatrist (5 of them) or psychologist (2 of them). It is not known whether or not the other half were seeing a psychiatrist, as it has not been published.
1. Huntsville, Alabama – February 5, 2010: 15-year-old Hammad Memon shot and killed another Discover Middle School student Todd Brown. Memon had a history for being treated for ADHD and depression. He was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.” He had been seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist.
2. Kauhajoki, Finland – September 23, 2008: 22-year-old culinary student Matti Saari shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. He was also seeing a psychologist.
3. Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system. He had been seeing a psychiatrist.
4. Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.
5. Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.
6. Red Lake, Minnesota – March 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 7 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.
7. Greenbush, New York – February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking “medication for depression”. He had previously seen a psychiatrist.
8. Wahluke, Washington – April 10, 2001: Sixteen-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. He had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.
9. El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School. He had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.
10. Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.
11. Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
12. Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold’s medical records remain sealed. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. Harris had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.
13. Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.
14. Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 25. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac. Kinkel had been attending “anger control classes” and was under the care of a psychologist.
10 additional recent murders and murder-suicides, resulting in 47 dead and 21 wounded:
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania – March 8, 2012: 30-year-old John Shick, former patient of University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) and former student at nearby Duquesne University, shot and killed one and injured six inside UPMC’s Western Psychiatrist Institute. Nine antidepressants were identified among the drugs police found in Shick’s apartment.
Seal Beach, California – October 12, 2011: Scott DeKraai, a harbor tugboat worker, entered the hair salon where his ex-wife worked, killing her and seven others and injuring one. At DeKraai’s initial hearing, his attorney indicated to the judge that DeKraai was prescribed the antidepressant Trazodone and the “mood stabilizer” Topamax.
Lakeland, Florida – May 3, 2009: Toxicology test results showed that 34-year-old Troy Bellar was on Tegretol, a drug prescribed for “bi-polar disorder,” when he shot and killed his wife and two of his three children in their home before killing himself.
Granberry Crossing, Alabama – April 26, 2009: 53-year-old Fred B. Davis shot and killed a police officer and wounded a sheriff’s deputy who had responded to a call that Davis had threatened a neighbor with a gun. Prescription drug bottles found at the scene showed that Davis was prescribed the antipsychotic drug Geodon.
Middletown, Maryland – April 17, 2009: Christopher Wood shot and killed his wife, three small children and himself inside their home. Toxicology test results verified that Wood had been taking the antidepressants Cymbalta and Paxil and the anti-anxiety drugs BuSpar and Xanax.
Concord, California – January 11, 2009: Jason Montes, 33, shot and killed his wife and then himself at home. Montes had earlier begun taking the antidepressant Prozac for depression related to his impending divorce and a recent bankruptcy.
Little Rock, Arkansas – August 14, 2008: Less than 48 hours after Timothy Johnson shot and killed Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney, the Little Rock Police declared they were investigating shooter’s use of the antidepressant Effexor, which was found in Johnson’s house. A Little Rock city police report later stated that Johnson “was on an anti-depressant and that the drug may have played a part in his ‘irrational and violent behavior.’”
Omaha, Nebraska – December 5, 2007: 19-year-old Robert Hawkins killed eight people and wounded five before committing suicide in an Omaha mall. Autopsy results confirmed he was under the influence of the “anti-anxiety” drug Valium.
North Meridian, Florida – July 8, 2003: Doug Williams killed five and wounded nine of his fellow Lockheed Martin employees before killing himself. Williams was reported as having been taking two antidepressants, Zoloft and Celexa, for depression after a failed marriage.
Wakefield, Massachusetts – December 26, 2000: 42-year-old computer technician Michael McDermott had been taking three antidepressants when he hunted down employees in the accounting and human resources offices where he worked, killing seven.
As far back as 1991, CCHR, along with numerous experts brought evidence before the US FDA that antidepressants were causing suicide and violence. The heavily Pharma-funded FDA panel ignored the evidence provided, and it would take 14 years, and a great deal of public pressure, for the FDA to finally issue it’s strongest warning, the black box, on antidepressants inducing suicidal ideation. 21 years later, the FDA has yet to issue a black box warning on antidepressants and other classes of psychiatric drugs documented by international regulatory agencies and studies to cause violence. This is not in the public’s interest, who deserve to be warned, it’s in Big Phama’s interest, upon whose funding the FDA heavily relies on.
I would be very interested to see what kind of prescriptions the latest shooter was on, before he went ballistic ?
Rolling the ATT into the RPal doesn't make sense. It means you could have an ATT without being a club member ?
Or you still have to be a club member and renew/update your license ?
Rolling the ATT into the Club membership makes sense to me. I think club execs should be able to issue you an ATT directly, while just needing a phone call to the CFO to confirm and register it.
This fuss about the ATT makes me wonder what the typical ATT duration is. My club issued me a 5 year, so it's not much a hassle for me.
Meanwhile, if you do get an ATT, it should include the ability to reasonably transport a firearm to local shops and smiths for fitting and repair.
Or you still have to be a club member and renew/update your license ?
Rolling the ATT into the Club membership makes sense to me. I think club execs should be able to issue you an ATT directly, while just needing a phone call to the CFO to confirm and register it.
This fuss about the ATT makes me wonder what the typical ATT duration is. My club issued me a 5 year, so it's not much a hassle for me.
Meanwhile, if you do get an ATT, it should include the ability to reasonably transport a firearm to local shops and smiths for fitting and repair.
Man I hope your flamesuit is firmly on
.That's exactly the goal. A RPAL with ATT attached is the first step to ATT without club membership, or maybe even shooting on crown or private land
.Of course why shouldn't it be, as a RPAL holder you have been triple screened and screened for every restricted purchase. It's pretty safe to say you're a little more law abiding than the average citizen
.As for transoprting to gunsmiths and shops my ATT covers that, most BC ATT does in fact (unless you happened to screw up the application). You gotta get that changed in Ontario... I feel for you guys. Half of the frivoulous money I've spent has been spur of the moment based on the ability to instantly bring something to a gunsmith.
Uh, yeah, WTF.
There is absolutely no logical reason as to why one should have to be a club member anywhere in order to be able to take their restricted firearm where ever they like, just like a non-restricted firearm. The fact that you already own and are in possession of a restricted firearm show the futility of the "apparent public safety factor" that an ATT provides.
Rolling the ATT into the license, as already provided for under the firearms act, would simply mean the recognition that if you're legally permitted to OWN a restricted firearm, it comes with the understanding that you're also legally entitled to transport it anywhere you like, be it a gun show, gun store, friends house, border crossing, or your friends range when you go on a road trip. Safe storage and transportation rules still apply.
The ATT as it curently stands is a slap in the face to responsible gun ownership.
