270 winchester vs 30-06 springfield

c-fbmi said:
Hey Boomer, stirring the pot? LOL Believe me when my 200 gn bullet from my 300 Wby hits something, things happen, as can be attested to by more than 100 head of game.

Negative on the 30-378 for many reasons, all of which you know.

I personally don't care what the OP buys, as long as it isn't a stupid, game losing, anemic, ill thought out, Jack O'Conner touted .270 Win!!!! There is absolutely nothing a 270 will do that any number of cartridges won't do better. 6.5-06, 6.5-284, 264 WM, 284 Win, 280 Rem, 7mm WSM, 7mm RM, 7mm Wby, 7mm STW, 7mm RUM, 30-06, 300 WSM, 300 H&H, 300 WM, 300 Wby, any and all would be a better choice over a piece of junk 27 cal.

The only reason it was ever invented in the first place was because Americans of the day were too pigheaded to embrace the marvelous 6.5s and 7mms that were all over Europe, all of which are superior to the 270. Hasn't anyone else noticed that outside North America the 270 basically doesn't exist, even today. But hey, if you guys want to be American spoon fed stooges, who am I to critisize!!!

Be different, buy a CZ in 7 X 64 mm...............
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Wow， you basically have sentenced 270 to death. Glad I don't have one, LOL. It is weird that once I have a 308, I don't like anything related to 30-06.

I think Camp Cook will go after you after this Christmas. He touted 270 as the ONE which can do everything but not over do anything.
 
elker said:
Wow， you basically have sentenced 270 to death. Glad I don't have one, LOL. It is weird that once I have a 308, I don't like anything related to 30-06.

I think Camp Cook will go after you after this Christmas. He touted 270 as the ONE which can do everything but not over do anything.
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Not to worry, elker, I'm flame proof !!!

Has no one else noticed though that Win didn't bring out a belted version, but instead decided on the 264 WM and it's 270 WSM is about as popular as the 6.5 RM, which I might add is yet again a better cartridge. There is no 27-308, nor 27-284, and the only legitimate variation is the 270 Wby which is also one of Wby's poorest sellers, unlike the 257 and 300. Even wildcatters have no love for the 27 bore as it is the least wildcatted bore of all time.

JP....the 308 was left out intentionally as it is not even in the same class as the cartridges I am discussing. It, IMHO, is only one tiny step ahead of the 270. It is a military designed compromise cartridge, as is the 223 and I don't have a lot of use for either. In both cases they are neither "fish nor fowl". (yes I know the '06 was a military cartridge as well and so was the 45-70, both of which I own and find them both lacking as well) The accuracy you speak of is completely irrelavent in the hunting world and US snipers use it because they have no choice in the matter.
 
holfeldian said:
what kind of takedown power does the 30-06 have over the 270? what range can you take down an elk or a moose at with either?
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Lets go 300 yards, maximum range for both moose and elk with either cal.. There is really no significant difference in killing power. I am not a fan of either, but both are more than sufficient to take moose, or elk quickly, cleanly and efficiently. If you can shoot either with confidence, none of the cartridges c-fbmi mentioned will do the job any better, just so long as you do your part....
 
These are some pretty good reading on the 3006 's potential.

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If I could only own three guns...neither would be a 270 or 30-06!!! but i'd take the 30-06 over the 270 any day.
 
Get a 22 LR, a 6.5x55 and a 338 Mag of some sort. All bases covered except shotshells. Would that satisfy everyone? For a 3 rifle set that is.
 
Cleftwynd said:
Get a 22 LR, a 6.5x55 and a 338 Mag of some sort. All bases covered except shotshells. Would that satisfy everyone? For a 3 rifle set that is.
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For a three gun set, I'd go.... 12 gauge with multiple barrels,..... 22LR....., 300 win.mag.
 
In 2014 for my first trip to Africa i intend of taking my 416 Rigby and my Scout Steyr 308, to bad for me that the 308 is not that good of caliber but i am confident that all that will i hit with the 165 TSX @ 2850 will go down as fast as a 7mm would... JP.
 
JP.......you are in for a big surprize if you think African game reacts like NA game! They will do everything BUT go down when hit with that 308, or 7mm, or 300 for that matter. Hits that bang/flop NA animals barely phase African game, oh sure they die, but not where they stand, nor usually within 200 mtrs. You will come home with a new found respect for animals and their sheer will to live, or at least get away. I suspect you will also come home with a new outlook on your 308 as well and if you ever plan to go back I suspect a good 300 mag will be on your shopping list. And to all who have never been there, the answer is emphatically YES, they are that tough!!!
 
Holy fook laddies.
My dad is bigger than your dad.
My dad shoots a bigger gun than your dad.
My dad makes more money than your dad.
My dad is taller than your dad.
My dad has a bigger truck than your dad.
My dad has more trucks than your dad.

Wow.............

Use what you prefer and what works for you.

I'm stuck on the twins.
Danny Devito and Arnold Schwartznegger.

Yup the 308 win and the bigger brother..... 308 Norma Mag.
Oh, and the adopted brother, the 358 win.

Play nice folks.
Cheers.
 
caramel said:
The few fps you gain in 30-06 are nothing compare to the big gain in precision you gain with the 308, i am not making that up that a 308 is more precise than a 30-06, this is a proven fact, just ask as the snipers of the world, not many are using the 06 at one point i will always favor precision over velocity... JP.
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The snipers of the world use the 7.62x51 (aka .308 Win) because it is a NATO standard cartridge. In a war zone, even if they can't get match grade ammo, they can at least be sure of having something to shoot. Police sniper tend to copy whatever the military uses.

I have a sporter weight .30-06 that will shoot 1/2" at 100 yds; I don't see how more precision than that will improve a hunting rifle that will be used inside 500 yds.
 
caramel said:
The few fps you gain in 30-06 are nothing compare to the big gain in precision you gain with the 308, i am not making that up that a 308 is more precise than a 30-06, this is a proven fact, just ask as the snipers of the world, not many are using the 06 at one point i will always favor precision over velocity... JP.
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Ah, yes this old saw, again.
While technically the .308 is considered to be more accurate in competition shooting. I disagree that is makes a lick of difference in hunting.
First, off the shelf hunting rifles are not sniper/competition rifles. Some are more accurate than others, average maybe 2" groups @ 100m.
Secondly, the average hunter(who doesn't practice a whole lot) isn't capable of the level of marksmanship to take advantage of the inherent accuracy difference between the two.
The variety of loadings available for the .30-06 make it a better suited hunting round IMHO, everything else considered.
 
OK guys let's get back on track and get on with the 270 bashing, the 308 wasn't even mentioned by the OPs question. He's obviously smarter than to even consider the 308 in the first place.
 
Northman999 said:
Whatever gave you that idea?

It's a .308 dia cartridge, shooting a .308 dia bullet, and the great majority of .308 win's have the 1-10 or 1-12 twist required.

You won't push it as fast as a 30-06, but I doubt if the game will be able to tell the difference between 220 @ 2350 fps or 220 @ 2500 fps.
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Can't may have been a poor choice of words, but given that I don't see such a load listed for a .308 in any of my reloading resources (no, I don't own every reloading manual known to man), there must be a reason for that. I suspect that when you want to talk high end bullets (e.g. TSX or Accubond) that extra 150fps makes a big difference at distance when a minimum of 1800fps is required for proper expansion on those bullets.
 
Sometimes I wonder if the .270 wasn't just a bore/groove mistake at Winchester. Tell the new guy that you want to neck down the '06 case down to take a 7mm bullet and he'll design the .270 and make a new bullet. The difference between the two is the same as the depth of the rifleing.
 
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