270 winchester vs 30-06 springfield

My favourite part about this thread is watching the old guys debate like Elmer Keith is still around.

Let me sum this up really easily for you, today we have modern hunting bullets that can retain 99% of their weight, shoot flat, accurate, and expand nicely. This makes it so that all the mid-large sized calibers got a massive upgrade over the cast lead, or cup and core bullets of old. What this really means is that all the old arguments are moot, the only ones that should remain are the debates what kind of rifle you like and what kind of distances you're working with.

If you have a 270win and 30/06 and ttsx bullets, they're both going to kill whatever you aim them at. The 270 will outperform the 30/06 after a hundred yards or so, and then lose out after 500 yards. None of this matters because you're going to kill the animal with either round regardless. If you're in an area where you hunt at 500 yards, then it's on you to have something that can make a 10 or less inch group at that range.

Me personally I like the short action, quick cycling guns in non-magnum. Stuff like 308win, 303b (feels like short action), 2 3/4 slugs in an 870, or semi-auto 7.62x39. If I were to get a magnum, I'd most likely get a 270wssm or a 300wsm in a Tikka, but I don't like searching around for $35.00 / box ammo that offers no advantage at the ranges I hunt at (10-75 yards) so why bother?

If you're bent on a 30/06 or 270win shoot both and decide which one you like more. The 270win has an advantage in the 150-400 yard range, kicks a little less, but has less bullet variety. I'd personally go with the 30-06 because I have multiple 308's, I reload so it's flexible in 110-220g, and I never see animals further away than the next corner on a logging road. In BC that means about 75 yards max, so I don't even use a scope lol
 
Rocket Surgery said:
... today we have modern hunting bullets that can retain 99% of their weight, shoot flat, accurate, and expand nicely. This makes it so that all the mid-large sized calibers got a massive upgrade over the cast lead, or cup and core bullets of old. What this really means is that all the old arguments are moot....l
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True. The new generation of bullets have made some of these caliber related differences so minuscule, it doesn't really matter anymore (at least to us, the average run of the mill hunters). And that is for factory loads. I bet some of the hand loaders here can easily make these rounds (and a few more calibers) to shoot and behave close to identical.
 
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I don't know some of that factory ammo is pretty insane right now. Look at the Winchester Xp3 stuff, it's retarded. They have basically a nosler partition, only the front half is all copper petals, with a poly tip. It's like a Barnes TTSX / Nosler partition hybrid, that doesn't leave any copper fouling in your bore. The bullets won't be as long as the TSX, you won't have any lead in your kill, your gun won't foul, the casings are nickel coated for positive feeding / extraction, and so forth.

I'm guessing the stuff is $50.00 / box but I use about 10 rounds / year for hunting. 6 at paper to sight in and usually about 4 in the bush.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/winchester_supreme_XP3.htm

You get this stuff in 270 or 30/06 and it just doesn't matter anymore, you're going to kill your target.
 
Rocket Surgery said:
My favourite part about this thread is watching the old guys debate like Elmer Keith is still around.

Let me sum this up really easily for you, today we have modern hunting bullets that can retain 99% of their weight, shoot flat, accurate, and expand nicely. This makes it so that all the mid-large sized calibers got a massive upgrade over the cast lead, or cup and core bullets of old. What this really means is that all the old arguments are moot, the only ones that should remain are the debates what kind of rifle you like and what kind of distances you're working with.

If you have a 270win and 30/06 and ttsx bullets, they're both going to kill whatever you aim them at. The 270 will outperform the 30/06 after a hundred yards or so, and then lose out after 500 yards. None of this matters because you're going to kill the animal with either round regardless. If you're in an area where you hunt at 500 yards, then it's on you to have something that can make a 10 or less inch group at that range.

Me personally I like the short action, quick cycling guns in non-magnum. Stuff like 308win, 303b (feels like short action), 2 3/4 slugs in an 870, or semi-auto 7.62x39. If I were to get a magnum, I'd most likely get a 270wssm or a 300wsm in a Tikka, but I don't like searching around for $35.00 / box ammo that offers no advantage at the ranges I hunt at (10-75 yards) so why bother?

If you're bent on a 30/06 or 270win shoot both and decide which one you like more. The 270win has an advantage in the 150-400 yard range, kicks a little less, but has less bullet variety. I'd personally go with the 30-06 because I have multiple 308's, I reload so it's flexible in 110-220g, and I never see animals further away than the next corner on a logging road. In BC that means about 75 yards max, so I don't even use a scope lol
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Pretty much the way I see it as well,as a handloader I would give the nod to the 30-06 because of the bullet variety but other than that flip a coin.
 
I am a short action fan... and own most of the .308 family (.243, 6.5mm-08, 7mm-08, .308)... If I were a long action fan, I would probably own most of the ought six family... when comparing the middle calibers based on the same case, go smaller for speed and larger for energy (momentum really)... the truth is, that with a proper bullet and good shot placement they are all good choices.
 
Rocket Surgery said:
I don't know some of that factory ammo is pretty insane right now. Look at the Winchester Xp3 stuff, it's retarded. They have basically a nosler partition, only the front half is all copper petals, with a poly tip. It's like a Barnes TTSX / Nosler partition hybrid, that doesn't leave any copper fouling in your bore. The bullets won't be as long as the TSX, you won't have any lead in your kill, your gun won't foul, the casings are nickel coated for positive feeding / extraction, and so forth.

I'm guessing the stuff is $50.00 / box but I use about 10 rounds / year for hunting. 6 at paper to sight in and usually about 4 in the bush.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/winchester_supreme_XP3.htm

You get this stuff in 270 or 30/06 and it just doesn't matter anymore, you're going to kill your target.
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I don't own a gun that shoots only one box of ammo a year. That argument applies only to those who don't really shoot much at all. 6 at paper is not nearly enough shooting for me to feel I'm ready for anything.
 
I don't see how the performance difference between chamberings is any smaller or larger today than it ever was. Modern bullets have absolutely increased the performance of everything, but the relative differences between the .270 and .30-06, for example, are as they always were, i.e. too small to worry about.

Similarly, the experience and opinions of guys like Keith, who shot vast amounts of game with a variety of cartridges at everything from hand-shaking range to way-out-there distances, remain valid...much as the experience of guys who shoot their local game at 75 yards with open sights remains as valid as it ever has been.

Shoot what you want to shoot.
 
beretta boy said:
Geez, no posts for almost a month ... then this. Nanuk, did you just come out of hibernation ?

This horse is dead - bury it. ;)
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Well said! although we could go off on some other tangent and see how long we can have a useless conversation! actually i just put a 3-9 x40 bushnell banner on a 7mm remington magnum... do you think this scope will hold zero?
 
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