The Last AR15 Thread

So Say We All!

  • H*LL Yes!

    Votes: 23 85.2%
  • Yes

    Votes: 4 14.8%

  • Total voters
    27

blaxsun

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Until next week, that is.

So once upon a time I threw together a quick "AR15 Tier" thread. The intent was to give your average new AR15 consumer a rough idea of what was available, approximate price ranges and what could loosely be grouped together in terms of quality and overall value. This was not an empirical or exhaustive study by any stretch, and mileage varied. Any usefulness was quickly eliminated by the usual elitist and/or ####-measuring that seems to accompany the typical divergence of opinions.

That being said, I have since removed said list because the developments south of the border have pretty much nixed any/all hopes that we'll see anything even remotely approaching the "Golden Age" that we previously enjoyed.

The types of AR15s generally available (or were, rather) fall into these categories:

a) Extreme (actual operators, although more often than not "mall ninja" applies)
b) Competitive (those desiring excellence without the associated premium)
c) Consumer (best value and quality for the dollar)
d) Budget (cheapest bang for buck)

When researching your first AR15, it is essential to review the criteria:

1. Is this something you're prepared to only ever shoot at a range, ie: is an AR15 even for you? The "non-restricted" AR15 is the mythical unicorn. I'm not going to say anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional. But they're delusional.
2. Is this something you can afford? And we're not just talking about the initial purchase price, but the cost of accessorizing and feeding it (those of you who own pets know exactly what I'm talking about)
3. More importantly, is it something you can afford to lose? At some point we will have a pro-ban Government. It's not a question of "if" but "when", so if you're harboring any illusions that possession is 9/10ths in such a future scenario... you might want to look into why we have the 12.x classifications.
4. Are you overly concerned about warranty, etc? If so, something manufactured or serviced locally in Canada might be more ideally-suited (particularly if we see an AWB materialize in the US).
5. Last but not least, are you prepared to not have it not make your #### larger? The only swelling that occurs happens from the neck up, and is often the source of most debates about which AR15 adds more ##### length or bragging rights.

Bottom line: Enjoy our hobby to the fullest, and spend less time worrying about being tacticool and more time getting out to the range and enjoying the cordite. :D
 
Ordered a norinco a few weeks ago, I think that means I'm not compensating for anything and thus norinco owners have huge penii. (but teeny tiny bank accounts )
1600 rounds cost almost as much as the gun.. but hey, it'll be fun!
 
I tried being tacticool but missed out on the sale of mags that matched the other accessories I bought. How'm I supposed to be a self-respecting range operator if my mags don't match my grip? Can't take my rifle out until I find some I guess.

I voted "yes they are too scary for public ownership".
 
5. Last but not least, are you prepared to not have it not make your #### larger? The only swelling that occurs happens from the neck up, and is often the source of most debates about which AR15 adds more ##### length or bragging rights.

#1 Reason to Buy a Tavor Instead
 
#1 Reason to Buy a Tavor Instead

Why buy a Tavor? Does it have a glorious combat history for us to ponder as we finger its ever crevice? I don't think so. Selling a few to Honduras, Guatemala and Nigeria sure doesn't put it right up there as a proven Battle Rifle like the AR, FN, AK etc etc. I think it needs to eat a few more wheaty's to qualify as a proven platform.

Oh but wait,....... the Israelis have adopted them,..and of course they have the only real experience with combat in the last fifty years right. Don't think so.

If rock throwing Palestinians is considered front line combat, then anything would be an advantage, even a GD slinshot. When was the last time the Israelis had a fair fight on their hands? Yom Kippur? 6 day war, 1948??? What did they field then, and how did it perform in a real battle testin? Lee-enfield, .....great, K98K,..... great, FN FAL,..... great, UZI,... great, .......Tavor...whats a Tavor?????
My Norinco AR is as much a proven battle rifle as a Tavor.

Rant over,.........we now return you to the former broadcast already in progress.............:p:p
 
Why buy a Tavor? Does it have a glorious combat history for us to ponder as we finger its ever crevice? I don't think so. Selling a few to Honduras, Guatemala and Nigeria sure doesn't put it right up there as a proven Battle Rifle like the AR, FN, AK etc etc. I think it needs to eat a few more wheaty's to qualify as a proven platform.

Oh but wait,....... the Israelis have adopted them,..and of course they have the only real experience with combat in the last fifty years right. Don't think so.

If rock throwing Palestinians is considered front line combat, then anything would be an advantage, even a GD slinshot. When was the last time the Israelis had a fair fight on their hands? Yom Kippur? 6 day war, 1948??? What did they field then, and how did it perform in a real battle testin? Lee-enfield, .....great, K98K,..... great, FN FAL,..... great, UZI,... great, .......Tavor...whats a Tavor?????
My Norinco AR is as much a proven battle rifle as a Tavor.

Rant over,.........we now return you to the former broadcast already in progress.............:p:p

Is the Tavor not being used every day in Israel right now...LOL....
 
My Norinco AR is as much a proven battle rifle as a Tavor.

From wikipedia:
Users
Countries
China - Used by the Sichuan Police Department, Chongqing SWAT.
Iran - Used by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Infantry.
Thailand - Used by Royal Thai Naval Air and Coastal Defense Command.
Paraguay - Norinco CQ-5.56mm Type A adopted by the Special Forces
Syria - Some units of the Syrian Armed Forces have been reported as using the Norinco CQ. Possibly also in service with some government paramilitary formations.

CQ 5.56mm Type A assault carbine is the only Type CQ variant to be acknowledged of official uses with a regular Armed force, having been purchased in significant quantities by the DECEI (Destacamento Conjunto de Empleo Inmediato "Joint Quick Deployment Detachment") of the Paraguayan Army. A semi-automatic version of this carbine is available on the civilian market for sports shooters in Canada and in Italy.

Thats right folks, my Norinco has a proud lineage of keeping people in line! I don't see 3rd world goverments using those fancy teir1 AR's to supress their people!
 
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