Illegal to obstruct lawful hunters

canadian hunter312 said:
you're trying to tell me that you confiscate ATV's, take them to your own little chop shop, and then sell the parts? on top of this, when you call the police to lay charges they're okay with you selling the property people "left" behind. what do you do, put a gun to their head? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

sorry, but i gotta call BS on that one.
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A big pile @ that!
 
Ever since Oka, the authorities seem reluctant to enforce the law when aboriginals are involved. Just look at Caledon as an example. When the natives occupied a housing development site, the law did nothing to protect the developer, and even charged a local resident for flying the Canadian flag too near to the site of the protest!! WTF! I haven't experienced it myself, but some friends of mine who moose hunt up near the Thunder Bay area have told me that the natives will go through the area with gangs and pick up trucks and clean out every moose they see. When the guys go up to hunt of course there's nothing left. Guess what happens next? Some native will approach the camp and offer to sell them whatever they are tagged to shoot. You need a bull? We have a bull for you, for a fee of course. The Ontario Provincial Police and the MNR are fully aware of this, but will not act for fear of "creating an incident". When the natives started over fishing Lake Huron under the guise of "subsistance fishing" and "native rights", and then selling their illegal catch for under market value, thus damaging the income of the legal commercial fishermen, the law did nothing for fear of "creating an incident". I don't know how it stands now, but I have heard that some of the natives were beaten up by men who saw their livelihood threatened and took the law into their own hands. I'm all for native rights and honouring the treaties we have with them. I know the government has played fast and loose with some of the agreements they've made and the aboriginal peoples have some legitimate claims for redress of grievances, but that does not give them carte blanche to trample the lawful activities of others. The only paper I've seen that calls on the law to abide by it's mandate is the Toronto Sun. Time and time again they've asked both the police and the provincial government why they fail to enforce the law. The silence is deafening. Pathetic, isn't it?
 
the spank said:
Here is a good one for you. What do you do when you own land and have not given permission to hunt the land and a Native decides to hunt on it in spring for geese and though you have gone out and asked him to leave your property, that he is trespassing he does not and tells you to F/O. Then you return to your home, call the MNR and Police and are told by both that neither will be responding to the call owing to the fact the person is native and it may cause a real issue? Happened to a buddy of mine and he is an retired OPP! He could not get anything done about it and it went on for weeks. The guy even had the nerve to use the gated road my buddy has on the property by accessing it from the other end where it joins a neighbouring property, parking his truck, cutting down my buddies trees and Hazel bushes to build a blind and using his deer food crop to hunt on where the geese were feeding. What is your recourse of action then?
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I would burn it and stand there watching it burn.
 
the spank said:
Here is a good one for you. What do you do when you own land and have not given permission to hunt the land and a Native decides to hunt on it in spring for geese and though you have gone out and asked him to leave your property, that he is trespassing he does not and tells you to F/O. Then you return to your home, call the MNR and Police and are told by both that neither will be responding to the call owing to the fact the person is native and it may cause a real issue? Happened to a buddy of mine and he is an retired OPP! He could not get anything done about it and it went on for weeks. The guy even had the nerve to use the gated road my buddy has on the property by accessing it from the other end where it joins a neighbouring property, parking his truck, cutting down my buddies trees and Hazel bushes to build a blind and using his deer food crop to hunt on where the geese were feeding. What is your recourse of action then?
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No offense to you, but I'd say your friend isn't telling you the story straight. Or after decades in L.E. he lacks the imagination to have this single "gentleman" removed from his property by the authorities?...
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
No offense to you, but I'd say your friend isn't telling you the story straight. Or after decades in L.E. he lacks the imagination to have this single "gentleman" removed from his property by the authorities?...
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OMG, I am sorry I have to laugh at that statement but since you don't know him I can understand. This fellow is one colourful fellow, a lack of imagination he does not suffer from!! LMAO!!
 
caboverbobby said:
I have had a few "leave" their ATV's on my property due to their unwillingness to obey the No Trespassing signs. I pull them home, dismantle them and sell all the parts on ebay or if the have the balls to come back and get them before i dismantle them, I charge them a "finders" fee and give them a warning. If it ever happens again.... charges are laid.

After having numerous game cameras, stands and even mineral blocks stolen, i have no problem laying charges now. I have chained, lag bolted and even have used python locks to secure my stuff and it still goes missing. No more Mr. Nice Guy!
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Have fun in jail!!!

What your doing holds a much bigger charge then trespassing...and IF your doing it (I believe not, just more internet chest thumbing) who in their right mind is gonna leave and not go back for an ATV costing $1000s? I hope no friends of yours...if you have any...never accidentally leave anything at your place or off to kijiji it will go.

Also...to those who wish to make their property harder to get into anything much more then a fence can be considered a "trap" which is HIGHLY illegal and you better pray to god they do not get hurt or killed from them or you too can enjoy jail with our very own ATV thief.

Gotta remember sometimes people truthfully get lost and go down the wrong roads or willingly go down a private road looking for help. Or the kid down the street traveled out too far on his dirt bike and is now lost. Emergency services, unannounced family members and friends may stop by too without your knowledge and none of them are doing anything illegal or do they deserve to be booby trapped. Hell people who set traps often forget about them and injury or kill themselves with them.

This is not a summer movie flick...you cannot fight crime with more crime, especially when your crime has harsher punishments for doing them.
 
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Branwilder said:
They were laid.... "area enforcement manager for the Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) confirmed a financial charge was laid"...
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I guess education remains expensive.

Some days, as a cop, I feel my job is to make sure stupidity is either expensive or painful. :D
 
"grabbing at the cell phone Seal was using to video the incident."

I'm thinking that epic kick from the movie 300 would set her back on her ass, 3 or 4 feet. "She was coming towards me with hate in her eyes, so I blocked her attack".
 
I wonder how she'd like it if someone kicked down her door and objected to the Christmas turkey she bought from the grocery store?
Another dumb hypocrite!
 
jeffcarr88 said:
What your doing holds a much bigger charge then trespassing...and IF your doing it (I believe not, just more internet chest thumbing) who in their right mind is gonna leave and not go back for an ATV costing $1000s?
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there's more holes in his story than a chunk of swiss cheese :D

if his claims were actually true, odds are he'd be dead or a cripple by now and wouldn't have the opportunity to share his lovely story :D
 
I think for the man dealing with the native, leaving out the fact that the trespasser is native, then when the LEO is on the scene they're more likely to deal with it. The other recourse is to sue the MNR and LEO for not doing their job.
 
Interesting how this thread has two stories. One about interfering with a lawfull activity and another about trespassing on land and hunting.

Either way is to call the police and explain the situation.

If it's a treehugger, I wouldn't tell them that a white lady is about to attack me. Rather "an individual who appears agitated and aggressive towards me"

If it's a native who is trespassing, all they need to know is "it's a guy with a gun, he's wearing camoflage, and shooting into the air at random. My safety feels threatened." Pointing out that the guy is "native" might make you sound like you're racist when all you are doing is keeping the neighbourhood safe.
 
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