Salute To Bubba

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Yes you heard me. This is a Salute to Bubba! Why you may ask. Well there's no denying the facts. Our Fathers and Grandfathers brought back thousands of Mauser's from the battle fields of WWII, and many of these old Gents were hunters and did what any hunter would do with a sharp European 8mm, they needed to lighten up these battle weapons for the hunting field. Matter of fact my first impression of Mauser as a kid was back in the seventies watching my Father get out the old Mauser in the fall and getting it ready for his annual hunting trip to the camp with the boys. I remember how impressive that rifle was, and listened in total interest of Dad telling me the story of how he acquired this old K98. His Father, my Grandfather who passed before I was born actually mailed it home to my Dad from Europe during the war. It came as the story goes in several pieces due to postal size restrictions. It came original i.e. full military configuration but it was what we know as a "Duffle Cut" That is to say the long military length K98 stock had to be basically sawed in two pieces, to make length restrictions and then had to be glued back together using dowels. Dad said he also got quite a few cartridges with it including tracers. He told me how he used to shoot the tracers up into the night sky back in the day. Dad is not sure where Gramps actually picked the rifle up, but his best guess is while the Canadian Army passed through Holland on their way to the Siegfried Line.

A real Vet bring back, actually mailed back, but non the less there it was. So The Mauser was in the family as a War prize and promptly used by my Father while he was a young fella shooting rocks, trees, what ever. Then it was pressed into serious deer and moose hunting service I'd say around the mid to late fifties by Gramps, then by Dad from the Sixties until the early Seventies. Now somewhere in there Dad wanted to get it lightened up for carrying in the woods, I believe early seventies there abouts, this is when the old vet met bubba. To be fair bubba would have been someone that had a pretty good handle on doing what he did, and that was to turn this Mauser into a deer hunter. But the old Mauser was just getting too worn out after serving in WWII and three decades of faithful deer and moose hunting in the Canadian woods of the east coast so she finally had to be retired as it just would not group anymore.

But I just love those memories and the actual rifle, I think its lines are so slick and there is just something about the look of this Mauser that intrigue me to this day. Have a look.

Then I ask you to post pics of your family bubba, which is just such an insulting name for a REAL VET BRING BACK, a Mauser that was actually picked up off of the battle field by a serving member of the Canadian Army during WWII, then put into family service for years to put meat on the table, into the meat pies, and to impress the next generation of gun enthusiasts.

On the pics you will clearly see the old duffle cut in the stock which my GF had to make to mail it back to Canada in 1944-45. Then you will see the fine sporter lines that my Father had the smithy do, noting the wood filled stock holes, to me it looks like a mean rifle.

CAVEAT! THE RIFLE PICTURED ACTUALLY HAS ANOTHER VET BRING BACK BARRELLED ACTION INSTALLED IN ORIGINAL STOCK OF THE STORY AS THE ORIGINAL BARRELLED ACTION THAT WAS MOUNTED IN THIS STOCK WAS ABSORBED INTO MY BROTHERS COLLECTION, I GOT THE STOCK BACK BECAUSE I WANT TO PUT THIS RIFLE BACK INTO HUNTING SERVICE

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Then I ask you to post pics of your family bubba, which is just such an insulting name for a REAL VET BRING BACK, a Mauser that was actually picked up off of the battle field by a serving member of the Canadian Army during WWII, then put into family service for years to put meat on the table, into the meat pies, and to impress the next generation of gun enthusiasts.

I totally agree. On here we all have the hate on for 'Bubba', when the fact is, 'Bubba' was our fathers, grandfathers, uncles and a lot of good men. Many were vets. 'Bubba' was just making use of these old guns the best way he knew how. These guns weren't rare or even prized. As many know they were actually cold reminders of the death and destruction of war. I hold no ill will toward 'Bubba'. He just had a different perspective.

Yours is a fine rifle with great family history. I you get a chance to knock down some game with it next season.
 
Collectors should bless Bubba every day since they have made a truly fine specimen of their special rifle valuable.

Bubba comes in many forms. I think that a so-called "restored" full military is Bubba'ed, as is a Russian capture mixed bag of parts or a Czech rework job post WWII.

There are actually some mighty fine sporting rifles with actions salvaged from "less than collectable" military rifles. Some of these junkers were taken apart in my shop.

Now, if you really want to shed tears over damage to a fine gun, shed a tear for the lunatic who drills extra holes in a ZG 47 Brno or other beautiful rifle with integral dovetail mounts.
But, when it comes right down to it, it was that owner's property, to do with as he sees fit.
 
I agree, my first rifle was a bbd P-14, then a Lee, then a 98 from my father and so be it. they were cheap therefore affordable in those days just another "tool" in the granary / garage etc., mother didn't like guns so it took awhile to get them into the house. I always had a round / two in my pocket - just in case.

What "grinds my gears" just a bit, is the "new" generation of bbs messing with the older military guns today when there are all kinds of "old" guns already messed with.
You know, drill scope mounting holes, alter the bolt handle, cut up the stock etc., etc., their gun they can do what they want but what a shame. JMHO --- John
 
I don't want Bubba to sporterise any more rifles since they are now sought after in their original condition, but what's done is done and is an interesting part of the history of the milsurp and a part our cultural heritage.
 
They wern't bubba's.
They took off what wasn't needed, and made what was needed.
What do you need a wooden handguard for when you fire a round or 2?
Why put up with a 28in+ barrel when you hunt in the swapm's and bush? Hack saw will take care of that quickly.
Same with the extra weight if the full military stock's, un-needed weight.
 
While I hold no ill will towards the bubbas of yesteryear, I despise anyone who would bubba a milsurp in this day and age. Many military rifles have gone from cheap and plentiful to rare and collectible.
 
I've told this story before, so I'll keep it short. My Dad's last big rifle was a BSA sporter made from an M1917. He traded it off for a TV in about 1958, and I was able to buy it back in 2008. So, bubba or not, it is a very special rifle to me.
 
My gun locker holds 2 full wood 303s, 2 303 sporters with scopes and 3 without. One of the scoped 303s has Boyd stocks and I think is a beautiful hunting rifle. I got for a fraction that I would pay for other rifles with the same capability. This once proud serving military member is now a fierce hunting rifle that will drop anything in North America.
My 2 cents..
 
My first centrefire rifle was a P14 that I bought at Elwood Epps in Clinton when I was in high school there. I had them grind the "ears" off the back of the acton and mount a Weaver scope. Shot my first deer with it at Rock Island Lake near Parry Sound. The stock was already cut back, so I plead extenuating circumstances. Traded the P-14 for a Remington 722 in .257 Roberts when they brought in the .275 calibre restriction for varmint hunting in S. ON.
 
they are still doing it with all the cheap milsurps coming in today ...look at what some guys are doing to the russian sks....tacticooling them and making them there idea of the ideal firearm...30 years from now this conversation (if we still have guns) will be started up again by guys looking for original condition sks's..same applies to the M305,mosin's,cz858 and even the ruger 10/22
 
I'm reading "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" by E.B. Sledge and whenever they go over Japanese KIAs they take the bayonets, knives, flags and nambus but pull the arisaka bolts, toss them and smash the stocks. If a great deal of Bubbas were combat veterans I can see why they wouldn't think much of "modifying" these rifles.
 
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I think we should also look at this from another perspective too. Today, the plentiful rifles right now are the SKS and the Moisin-Nagant, and we have people putting "Tactical" stocks on the SKS and modifying the M-N rifles and 50 or 60 years from now, these people are probably going to be referred to as the "Bubbas" of the time.

However, we have to look at History too. WWII had just ended, England needed money to pay War Debts, and here was a readily available commodity that could be sold. So we had the cheap Lee-Enfields and captured Mausers and other firearms. Some of these went to the Gunsmithing "trade" in England and provided employment and income, while others were simply sold and exported.

Another thing at this time is that there were almost NO newly manufactured firearms available for North American Sportsmen. Thus, someone who wanted to go hunting could not get a sporting rifle even if they had money to do so. American manufacturers were gearing up to produce these sporting rifles, but it was taking time. Even then, wages and costs to produce the older models was very high, and newer models more suited for mass production were being designed. However, what was availabile were the Surplus rifles, both reasonably inexpensive and easily obtained. A lot of Gunsmiths, (eg. Elwood Epps and others,) modified a lot of these surplus rifles to sporters, and that provided work and income for them.

Today, we are more aware of History and the value of preserving it. Those barrels full of $9.95 Number 1 Mark III* Lee Enfields, (take your pick), are long gone, and the price of a good one today is getting up around the $400 mark. Their production has ended, and no more will be produced in the volume and circumstances ever again, so the Historical value is there. We have a lot more Collectors today, and they are more aware of the History and significance of the rifles in original configuration, so the prices are rising steadily for good ones. And, we are now trying to put the sporterized rifles back to their original model condition today, so we tend to be a bit protective of these Collectors pieces.

I have a Model 1917 Enfield that I bought a couple of months ago. It had already been sporterized when a certain previous owner bought it, but this person was interested in the M-17 rifles, and he was a very meticulous handloader and experimenter. He believed in getting all the accuracy he could out of a rifle, and it was a rare rifle that he could not get to shoot under one inch at 100 yards. It might take him a bit of time, but he would do it. He added a cheekpiece similar to a Number 4T to it, and a front hand stop under the forestock, along with bedding the barrel, so in essence, he "Bubbaed a Bubba Rifle." But it does shoot under one inch consistently and will hold it's own on any practical target range with open sights. There is no way I would even consider changing this back to original configuration, because in the end it would only be a "parts" rifle.

I think today that it is wrong to cut down, modify or "bubba" one of the older very collectable rifles. As mentioned, even the SKS and the Moisin-Nagants are going to dry up eventually and rise in price. And to finish this off with a personal experience, one that happened to me about 15 years ago at an Edmonton Gun Show. A guy walked up to my table with a Number 1 Mark III* Lee Enfield, saw some SMLE and LE rifles on my table, and asked if they had Cork around the barrels. The guy said his rifle was not as accurate since he cut it down, and I got that queasy feeling. I asked to see it, and there is was ---"Regulated by Fulton." He asked me what that meant and I told him it meant that "he had made a $35 Sporter out of a $600 SMLE Target Rifle." He had a bit of a "sick" look when he left.
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40-50 yrs ago a MILSURP really only had appeal and value as a potential cheap sporting rifle. Back then serious collectors were into Winchester lever action rifles and other older pieces. Rifles like the Lee-Enfields, Mausers and Springfields were readily adaptable to sporterizing. Others like the M1 Carbine, M1 Garand and Mosins, not so much. When I sporterized my No5 in 1962 the overall cost was very cheap in comparison to an off the rack sporter like a Savage M99 or Winchester Model 70. I bought my first M1 Carbine in 1965 and never had an urge to sporterize it as I saw no potential in it for deer hunting. Besides, it was light and handy to shoot as a plinker in it's original configuration.

A lot of folks overlook the fact that the US Gun Control Act of 1968, which banned the importation of MILSURP rifles, was well supported by sporting rifle makers in New England as the large scale sporterization of cheap military rifles was a big limitation on their sales/profits.
 
Thanks for the comments. You all pretty much got the gist of this story. thanks for that, I new you all would. Bubba's like mine in this thread are keepsakes. But any original configuration milsurp I run into presently will never be customized by the chopper Bubba. But this old girl was used by my Grandfather, Father, and now me. It has their sweat in the wood and it will be passed on..

CHEERS
 
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