Dog advice / experiences

I'm still stuck in England in one of the warmest winters in history (it's +7 celsius at 9:45 pm right now), so I can't comment on how Vizslas will cope with Canadian winters ('cept maybe BC, but BC is practically tropical in Canadian terms).

Having said that, Hungarian winters aren't exactly mild.
 
While I'm partial to the German VDogs for what you want I'd suggest an Airedale for sure, they will do all that and handle the odd coyote with aplomb. If you want a pointing dog instead of a flusher I'd suggest either a Drahtaar, a Kutzhaar or a Langhaar. If you were to take coyotes out of the mix I'd add Pudelpointer to the list as well.
 
cant beat beagles for rabbits, a little stupid when it comes to trafic but makes a good (for the most part) house pet just dont feed them table scraps as they tend to smell. have had many over the years, great companions, if you have the chance to pick one you must first set the stage. out of site from the litter drag a piece of bologna around the room and stash it, then let the pups out, the one to track the bologna is your dog.
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Windknot said:
I'm still stuck in England in one of the warmest winters in history (it's +7 celsius at 9:45 pm right now), so I can't comment on how Vizslas will cope with Canadian winters ('cept maybe BC, but BC is practically tropical in Canadian terms).

Having said that, Hungarian winters aren't exactly mild.
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Lol...it was -39 C in Lone Prairie last week. A Vizsla would be ill-suited to our Northern climate.
 
I've owned and hunted Drathaars, a Chocolate Lab, and Duck Tollers. If I was planning on hunting the combination of game that you wanted to hunt, I'd get another Drathaar preferrably a big male.

My male Chocolate Lab had no interest in non-feathered game, especially after he was porcupine proofed. My Tollers are fiesty little bird dogs and capable blood trackers. But Tollers wouldn't be good for racoons or coyotes.
 
albertaal said:
I've owned and hunted Drathaars, a Chocolate Lab, and Duck Tollers. If I was planning on hunting the combination of game that you wanted to hunt, I'd get another Drathaar preferrably a big male.

My male Chocolate Lab had no interest in non-feathered game, especially after he was porcupine proofed. My Tollers are fiesty little bird dogs and capable blood trackers. But Tollers wouldn't be good for racoons or coyotes.
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After 4 GSP's and a Drahthaar, I must say that I'm a Draht fan through and through, but last year at the vet's office I saw a breeder with 5 Toller puppies getting their shots. I don't think I've seen cuter looking puppies.
 
albertaal said:
I've owned and hunted Drathaars, a Chocolate Lab, and Duck Tollers. If I was planning on hunting the combination of game that you wanted to hunt, I'd get another Drathaar preferrably a big male.
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Agreed, but it's also a dog I would NOT recommend for the novice dog owner... My Drahthaar Nos has had 2 fights in his adult life, both resulting in injuries & a trip to the vet. IIRC, $780 was the combined total for stitches & meds... I have yet to be injured breaking up a fight, but it could happen...

looch said:
After 4 GSP's and a Drahthaar, I must say that I'm a Draht fan through and through, but last year at the vet's office I saw a breeder with 5 Toller puppies getting their shots. I don't think I've seen cuter looking puppies.
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Agreed. I'll only add to that comment by saying it is very tough to find breeds that have kept to their original design intentions... Tollers are now bred mostly because they are cute & not hunted... Same with the lab etc etc. In comparison, the Drahthaar IS ONLY BRED for hunting. There's the reason you see such drive in them!

Cheers
Jay
 
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My friend has a mostly karelian bear dog (less white markings then most) and this dog is the best dog I've ever met! They were bred for hunting so I'm sure with some training they would be good at that.
Perfect size, big enough to handle themselves and deep snow but not so big they need their own seat in a vehicle.
 
As you say that hunting isn't necessarily the #1 priority, don't forget to check what is at the humane society. You might just find all the breeds you like rolled into one: his guy is thought to be LabXMalamute + maybe a little German shepherd.

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Tollers are now bred mostly because they are cute & not hunted... Same with the lab etc etc.
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You are sadly misinformed it seems. One board I am on has several serious Lab breeders, and at least one Toller breeder, and another, CHD, was started by hardcore Lab guys who only try to better their breed.

I believe the OP when asking about a coyote dog was refering to a tracking type dog. Very few single dogs can kill a coyote, especially larger eastern coyotes, without sustaining serious damage.
 
Nobody has mention Curs?? Original mountain, kemmer stock, Canadian, stephens??? I have experience with leopard curs. Do a search. There is at least one Canadian Cur breeder in Ontario.
 
HuntNL said:
You are sadly misinformed it seems. One board I am on has several serious Lab breeders, and at least one Toller breeder, and another, CHD, was started by hardcore Lab guys who only try to better their breed.
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I agree that there are guys out there trying to better various breeds. BUT, other than the German bred dogs, who else has the controls in place to prevent backyard breeding? Seems anyone in North America can buy a dog & breed it. This does not happen in the German system, it's all controlled.

Cheers
Jay
 
ibizans hounds are great on rabbits. you wont even need a gun. they can be hard to train and there is not many breeders in canada. I had my guy out for his first hunt a few weeks ago ( he's a rescue) and after an hour he brought me a bunch of squirrels, no bunnys to be seen as the yotes seems to be fat and happy this year.
 
There is some very good advice here, and some advice that makes me wonder if some folks even know what a hunting dog is. Take it all with a grain of salt, free advice from strangers on the Internet is often worth exactly what you pay for it. Have a look at the two sites below if you are serious about getting a true versatile dog.

http://pointingdogblog.########.ca/?m=1
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http://www.versatiledogs.com/forum/
 
looch said:
After 4 GSP's and a Drahthaar, I must say that I'm a Draht fan through and through, but last year at the vet's office I saw a breeder with 5 Toller puppies getting their shots. I don't think I've seen cuter looking puppies.
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Looch,

I had 3 Draththaars. All males - 2 liver coloured and 1 the Odin coloured. Mine were from Danish stock. Great dogs all of them were. Now I have 2 Tollers. They are awesome little dogs - super birdy and huge fun to have around.
 
Jay said:
I agree that there are guys out there trying to better various breeds. BUT, other than the German bred dogs, who else has the controls in place to prevent backyard breeding? Seems anyone in North America can buy a dog & breed it. This does not happen in the German system, it's all controlled.

Cheers
Jay
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Hey Jay,

The German system is a good one. It concentrates on producing good hunting dogs, while any guy with a backyard over here can become a breeder.

My 1 Chocolate Lab was from a kennel that bred only hunting dogs. My Chocolate was 95 pounds of romping stomping duck/goose retreiver. My Tollers are from a breeder that has Tollers going into the hunting fields and show stock. Tollers haven't divided off the stock into show and hunting strains. My Tollers had a great year this last season with over 80 retrieves, and 20 grouse and pheasants between them.

You are definitely correct that you have to be careful to make sure the dog you select comes from good hunting stock. I've got a Bro-in-law that backyard breeds labs, and I wouldn't take one of his soup-hounds for anything.

Cheers

Alan
 
albertaal said:
Looch,

I had 3 Draththaars. All males - 2 liver coloured and 1 the Odin coloured. Mine were from Danish stock. Great dogs all of them were. Now I have 2 Tollers. They are awesome little dogs - super birdy and huge fun to have around.
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Piper vom Willowrock is my Draht, out of Newfoundland. My experience with GSP's (all Stradivarius dogs - vom Hege Haus lines) made my training with Piper a little difficult. She gets it way faster than I'm used to and I find myself searching for ways to make the training interesting for her.
 
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