Pressure signs for 9mm or other small pistol

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Hi all,

Relatively new to reloading.

First few hundred rounds have been a success, but I'm wondering if the vets can share some signs or indicators of pressure issues.

Outside of the case shredding, or your hand being picked up in a ziplock baggie..
 
You won't see signs of over pressure on standard pistols.
Look at it this way. Your pistol is probably running at about 15 to 18,000 cup of pressure.
Normal operating pressure for a 357 magnum is about 38,000 cup and the fired brass looks just like the fired brass from a 9mm.
Just load according to well known loading manuals.
 
Well you can see hammered primers, I have a picture but no photobucket, PM me your email and I can send it to you

I have seen many thousands of fired pistol primers and I am not interested in looking at a picture you have of a "hammered" primer.
 
I make a series of loads, in 0.3 gr increments, to see what a pistol likes. usually a mild to medium load is best.

But sometimes I have to load hotter, say to make Power Factor, or because I am still looking for an accuracy load. The way I watch for excess pressure is with a Chrony. A load manual tells me the max velocity for my powder, and I just use that as a speed limit.

If all my brass was the same make and same vintage, primers might give me some info, but since the 9mm brass is all range pick-up, I don't even look at it.
 
You won't see signs of over pressure on standard pistols.
Look at it this way. Your pistol is probably running at about 15 to 18,000 cup of pressure.
Normal operating pressure for a 357 magnum is about 38,000 cup and the fired brass looks just like the fired brass from a 9mm.
Just load according to well known loading manuals.

What he said.

The maniacal obsession with wringing out the last possible fps has probably wrecked more guns and more hands than anyone can imagine. The classic signs of overpressure (flattened primers and so forth) are not scientific anyway; they're just wet-finger-in-the-air indicators.
 
Thanks.

After starting at .3 under the max (i know, should have worked up) I found myself making batches of 10 in increments of .3 to see what each felt like
 
"After starting at .3 under the max (i know, should have worked up)"

Are you a good enough shot to tell good ammo from poor ammo? If so, start at the START load and work up in 0.3 gr increments. I generally make 20 rounds of each, and shoot 10 of each as carefully as I can. I make a note of the powder charge on each target. When I get home, I grade the targets as Poor, Fair, Good, VG or VVG.

At the range, after sampling all the ammo, I re-shoot two or three powder charges that got good results just to make sure it was not a fluke. That is why I make 20 of each, not 10.

With just about every pistol there is a 3 grade variation in groups. In 9mm I have found the best groups to be around the medium velocity range, with one pistol liking very mild ammo that won't work in some others.

If you start with just hot ammo, you are probably missing the boat on what would be best for your pistol.
 
Real simple, actually. No load over the max in a reliable manual, using identical components and dimensions. Shooting over a chrony as you approach that listed max will give some additional indictions to the learned. To wit, a specific increment of powder should give a specific increment in velocity. As you approach from "starting" load by increment, you get the opportunity to be able to note that velocity increment. If, as you approach a book max load, the velcoity increment changes dramatically, sometimes increasing, but frequently decreasing or disappearing completely, you have exceeded max load for that combination of components in that chamber.

In a self-loader, (or bolt, lever, or pump rifle) you need only consider the one chamber. Should you seek to explore the functionality of a book max load in a revolver, of course, you must repeat the above process for each chamber of the cylinder.

I'm gonna go with a generalization: "Relatively new to reloading." Maybe stay away from maximum pressure untilyou have enough experience to sort out the bovine excretai on this and other forums, from good, safe practices.
 
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