Daniel Defence vs NEA

Dietz said:
You don't compare two manufacturers with a side by side "trigger test", that's bull:bigHug::bigHug::bigHug::bigHug: (A Colt won't feel any better by the way). You compare their track record for reliability and quality. Daniel Defense has a LOOOOOOOOOONG track record for perfect reliability and quality, innovation, knowledge and wonderful customer service, NEA has a LOOOOOONG track record for putting out crap and acting like idiots. Oh and they are messing up their lowers in ways nobody else has been able to do in the U.S. in the hunderds of thousands of lowers that have been made.

Saying "Daniel Defense is not as good as what people make it out to be" is a proof that this forum is not a place to seek any advice about AR-15's.

Comparing NEA to DD... it's pretty damn sad really.
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I think the issue here is, if you actually had something negative to say... you would get an infraction
 
Suputin said:
OMG ! The crying and mewling is epic.

I made no comment on the relative quality, fit, finish, accuracy or durability of either rifle. I did not bash nor praise either rifle. I simply commented that upon sitting down with two reasonably like rifles, the firing experience was essentially the same which had not been my expectations going in. This was not a formal test and no conclusions were made.

If what I said offends your sensibilities or biases then that's your problem not mine. I have no agenda here.

FWIW. I do not work for NEA and never have worked for NEA. I design and build silencers not rifles. It is not my interest nor concern if you love or loathe NEA. I will never make a dime from the sale of NEA rifles.

I posted because like most people I had read all the negative comments and I had next to no experience with the NEA so I was somewhat surprised it was essentially the same shooting experience as the vaunted DD rifle.
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The thread title is "Daniel Defence vs NEA" That's pretty clear to me that you're doing a direct comparison of both products, not just their triggers. Regardless, comparing stock triggers is a waste of time, they're all generally garbage.

TDC
 
Dietz said:
You don't compare two manufacturers with a side by side "trigger test", that's bull:bigHug::bigHug::bigHug::bigHug: (A Colt won't feel any better by the way). You compare their track record for reliability and quality. Daniel Defense has a LOOOOOOOOOONG track record for perfect reliability and quality, innovation, knowledge and wonderful customer service, NEA has a LOOOOOONG track record for putting out crap and acting like idiots. Oh and they are messing up their lowers in ways nobody else has been able to do in the U.S. in the hunderds of thousands of lowers that have been made.

Saying "Daniel Defense is not as good as what people make it out to be" is a proof that this forum is not a place to seek any advice about AR-15's.

Comparing NEA to DD... it's pretty damn sad really.
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Have you bought a DD recently? I have.
Dont get me wrong, DD are great rifles. But they are not AR15 GODS.

Dietz said:
;) LMT do make good triggers, but the desing of the AR-15 GI trigger is hit and miss, LMT's lower parts are very sought-after and I know of one guy who sells LPK's in the U.S. with LMT components.

Both LMT and DD have multiple military contracts and very high levels of engineering and skills are put into their products. Most people simply care about looks, I actually prefer the "not perfect" finish of an LMT over the biography of logos on the new DD's.
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From What I understand, DD only supply accessories to the military, not complete rifles.
 
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Suputin said:
FWIW. I do not work for NEA and never have worked for NEA. I design and build silencers not rifles. It is not my interest nor concern if you love or loathe NEA. I will never make a dime from the sale of NEA rifles.
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Isn't your website Spex Defense? No mention of silencers, but they have an entire page of custom AR-15s.

That PDW stock looks awfully close to what NEA said they would be releasing, you saying they didn't buy the design from you? I really don't know, just looking for clarification.
 
This whole thread smells.

Please keep this civil and on topic. Let's not turn this into another pile on NEA thread.
 
Leg said:
Isn't your website Spex Defense? No mention of silencers, but they have an entire page of custom AR-15s.

That PDW stock looks awfully close to what NEA said they would be releasing, you saying they didn't buy the design from you? I really don't know, just looking for clarification.
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Suputin does indeed design supressors..

TDC
 
He indeed effectively suppressed his troll signature from detection. Take notes from an industry professional, people.
 
TDC said:
Suputin does indeed design supressors..

TDC
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I never said that he didn't, merely that his website didn't have any that I could find. He also said that he has nothing to do with rifle design yet the website is chock full of custom ARs. Now I suppose that technically he didn't really design them per se, but he's definitely involved with rifles.

While he may not make any money from the sale of a NEA rifle I do believe that he has or had a business relationship with them. I do believe they paid him in order to sell his PDW stock design. His comments seem to be designed to lead you to believe otherwise. NEA has a few suppressors on their site, could they be his designs?
 
Leg said:
I never said that he didn't, merely that his website didn't have any that I could find. He also said that he has nothing to do with rifle design yet the website is chock full of custom ARs. Now I suppose that technically he didn't really design them per se, but he's definitely involved with rifles.

While he may not make any money from the sale of a NEA rifle I do believe that he has or had a business relationship with them. I do believe they paid him in order to sell his PDW stock design. His comments seem to be designed to lead you to believe otherwise. NEA has a few suppressors on their site, could they be his designs?
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Leg said:
I never said that he didn't, merely that his website didn't have any that I could find. He also said that he has nothing to do with rifle design yet the website is chock full of custom ARs. Now I suppose that technically he didn't really design them per se, but he's definitely involved with rifles.

While he may not make any money from the sale of a NEA rifle I do believe that he has or had a business relationship with them. I do believe they paid him in order to sell his PDW stock design. His comments seem to be designed to lead you to believe otherwise. NEA has a few suppressors on their site, could they be his designs?
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If memory serves, Suputin licensed his PDW stock design to NEA and sells them silencers which they re-sell as required. That is not the same as working for them, unless you consider FN to work for Colt because Colt licensed FN to use the M16 TDP and supply M16's to the US Gov't, sometimes with the odd Colt run of parts installed.

I also licensed a design to NEA (A VZ58 part in case it matters). I don't work for NEA and never have. The one business transaction I had with them went smoothly and I wish them the best of success, along with any other Canadian market entrants. I suspect Suputin's arrangement with them is similar.
 
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