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I've had this for several years now, I think it's an M91 Caricano, correct me if I'm wrong please, it's been handed down to me by my great uncle. the stock is cracked, and it seems the gun is covered in cozmoline? What do you guys suggest restoration wise, can I buy the stock that would go all the way to the end, or do I need to stick with a short one like this? any input would be greatly appreciated

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I had to paint the stock due to the fact the wood filler could not be stained, that's the only problem I have with it. all cleaned up

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You've got a Cooey-Carcano.
M1891 Carcano sporterized by Cooey for sale by Eatons in the early '30s.
Caliber will be 6.5x54Mannlicher Shoenauer, not 6.5x52 Mannlicher Carcano.
 
Ok, thanks, the only problem i have is the stock is cracked where the tape is, so i have to either get new one, or repair it? Would it be cosmoline on the bolt/barrel? Its a tarry looking material
 
Wouldn't likely be cosmoline, but it could be old chassis grease. Could be just about anything. It will most likely clean off with brake cleaner, varsol, mineral spirits, paint thinner, whatever, just fine. I'm no gunsmith, but I imagine the stock could be repaired.
 
You've got a Cooey-Carcano.
M1891 Carcano sporterized by Cooey for sale by Eatons in the early '30s.
Caliber will be 6.5x54Mannlicher Shoenauer, not 6.5x52 Mannlicher Carcano.

You will want to be careful. It is my understanding that not all Eaton Carcano rifles were rechambered. I have one that the fired casing is a very close match to an unfixed 6.5x52. Close enough to think that it is a 6.5x52.
 
It is worth confirming caliber. A x52 can be fired in the x54 chamber. Bit of a headspace situation. I have x54 gauge, have never heard of any one with x52. The cartridges are very similar. Have never heard of one in x52, but who knows?
 
It is worth confirming caliber. A x52 can be fired in the x54 chamber. Bit of a headspace situation. I have x54 gauge, have never heard of any one with x52. The cartridges are very similar. Have never heard of one in x52, but who knows?

Sounds like I'd better check mine a bit more carefully. :eek:
 
Nice, thanks alot guys, i've stripped it down, so ill clean her tomorrow, should the stock get sanded down? Or is there preffered methods?
 
Carcano with a set trigger.:) You'll need a clip to load it, like this.


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I think the chambering is pretty sloppy in these things. I used to fire 6.5 MS in one I had in my younger days.

Grizz
 
There were Carcano clips for sale at the Markham show on Sunday. Five bucks a pop I think. Picked up a couple more for my M95 Steyr Carbine. Neither rifle works without them!
 
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Carcano clips are not the same as the M95, they are not interchangeable.

Carcano clip (google):

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M95 clip (google):

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I got my Carcano and M95 clips at gun shows. Your best bet is to look at all the tables and parts bins as you just never know. I found both in misc parts boxes with bolt pieces...etc.
 
Trade-Ex has Carcano brass and generally they have the x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer cases as well.

You can make either one at home by opening out .220 Swift, turning the rim, recutting the extractor groove and fire-forming.

That said, it's good to know..... but easier to get the right stuff.

Set triggers, bulbous pistol-grip (made from original fore-end wood) an single-range rear sight identify this positively as a Cooey.

They were reworked WWI Italian rifles. They chopped the original barrels, left the stub in place and threaded the inside of it, then screwed in a new chambered tube, headspaced it like that and put in a set-screw to keep the barrel inner from working itself loose. There were serious troubles with these rifles, but there is nothing wrong with the actions nor with the barrels. I think the problem was CATS stealing the tiny set-screws when Uncle Bob tore the thing apart on the kitchen table (as was his wont), dropping it on the floor and not being able to find it in the light from the kero lamp on the wall-sconce. Then the Cat would bat the interesting little thing under a cabinet and Uncle Bob would slap the rifle back together MISSING AN IMPORTANT PART. If the barrel inner backed off a bit, you had a tilted front sight and you can't shoot with that..... but you also had the beginnings of a dangerous headspace condition up inside the action.

Or the problem COULD have been wrong ammo. The two cartridges are very similar: 6.5x52 is the 1891 original, 6.5x54 came out in 1903 for the Greek military, very much peas-in-the-same-pod and differing only by neck length. Original Carcano round was 100 ft/sec faster, used a .267 bullet. I am wondering what would happen should a hot Carcano round with its oversize slug and ballistite charge accidentally be used in a Cooey with the barrel turning itself slowly out.

There is a thread in THIS forum in which ANDY tortured one of these poor things to death. It was TOUGH, took a terrible beating before it finally was put out of its misery. IIRC, the thread was called "The Dangerous Cooey Carcano". I have NO idea how to do that link thing to an article but it is WELL worth reading.

These are a very-much maligned piece of Canadian history. In good condition they are darned near the perfect little Moose carbine if you can shoot: that bullet has penetration that nothing modern can rival.

YES the stock can be fixed. Disassemble, clean the wood inner surfaces with brake-drum cleaner, epoxy with Acra-Glas Gel and clamp lightly, clean-up the following day. Then you finish the wood properly and get some good Linseed Oil back into it to help it toughen itself back to the way it was in 1913. Most Italian stocks in the Great War were good Italian Walnut and there is NUTHIN' wrong with it (if you have taken your heart pills, price out a nice chunk today!)..... except that it has dried out over the last 90 years in storage in a climate in which it dries excessively.

Likely it is slathered with old Grease. If it won't just wipe off (big chance!) slather a bit of Extra Fine grade steel-wool with Hoppe's solvent and get it it like that, down to bare metal and then oil lightly and reassemble.

Check the bottom of the Chamber to make sure the little set-screw is actually there and that it is tight. DON'T let the Cat get at it: you will NEVER find another!

Fine little Unknown Canadian rifle. And your front sight isn't even made out of a King's penny as is mine! Wow!

Lucky dude!
 
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most of them have the stocks cracked around the wrist. those 'sporter stocks' were made by cutting back the origional stocks. the pistol grip is a peice of the removed stock that was shaped and glued on with some kind of cheap fish glue :D (ok, maybe im making up the fish glue). if you look close, you will see the lines, somemtimes the line is worked into the checkering on stocks that have that feature. if you look at the forend, there should be another peice glued in right up the front with covered the hole for the origional cleaning rod.

its possible to find parts and replacement stocks, but usually a complete gun in nice condition is only worth about $100, they are not super popular. I purchased one from a friend, and a previous owner had made a new stock from birdseye maple, ive always been interested in these sporters, so it was a great find for me. alot of them can be found repaird with steel pins now holding the stock together.

if you decide to fix and shoot it, please have it checked over by a gunsmith.

CGN member 'Andy' has a huge thread in milsurps on these.
 
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