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Canada’s gun control system has failed to keep up with a changing arms industry, leading to a bewildering and inconsistent series of loopholes, a Global News investigation shows.

Critics say that the system, based in part on restricting and prohibiting specific firearms, hasn't been updated since the 1990s, while the gun industry has been offering more and more exotic and envelope-pushing designs - not only of the guns themselves, but also components like magazines.

"The basic problem is that there hasn't been a serious effort to assess or limit the import of firearms that are new on the market since 1995," says Wendy Cukier of the Coalition for Gun Control. "There needs to be a much more rigorous process in place."

"This is a major problem that the police have identified, which is that we're allowing firearms to be imported to Canada and sold as restricted weapons, or even unrestricted weapons, that if one was applying a rigorous standard would not be allowed in the country."

Gun rights advocates, for their part, argue that the system can be made more logical by de-stigmatizing firearms that, they argue, were banned for cultural or aesthetic reasons and not because of their objective characteristics.

The system depends on putting firearms into categories – restricted, unrestricted, prohibited, and an unofficial fourth category covering unregulated antique firearms.

Firearms that are non-restricted are mostly mainstream rifles and shotguns (though the Global News investigation reveals startling exceptions). Owners can buy these types of guns with an ordinary gun license, and, with the end of the long gun registry, no longer have to register them.

Restricted firearms, like handguns and some rifles, still have to be registered, and would-be owners face tighter scrutiny and stricter rules. Prohibited firearms include weapons like machine guns and sawed-off shotguns. An unofficial fourth category covers certain antique weapons that aren't regulated at all.

These distinctions can have drastic consequences: because a sawed-off shotgun is a prohibited weapon, for example, someone caught with a loaded one can spend up to ten years in prison.

Firearms can be categorized based on function, but also can be singled out specifically: the AK-47, for example, is banned by name, although, as Ottawa firearms lawyer Solomon Friedman points out, the very similar SKS rifle is non-restricted (the two rifles have enough in common to share an owner's manual).

The gun control system designed in the 1990s was intended to be reactive, explains Liberal public safety critic Francis Scarpaleggia:

"I don’t know what the drafters were thinking at the time, but it would have been a little naïve to think that new kinds of guns wouldn’t be on the market and that firearms technology wouldn’t evolve. It clearly has."

“Human ingenuity has a way of surpassing or getting around very specific regulations, so that’s why regulations need to adapt to the new realities.”

Anne McLellan and Allan Rock, both Liberal justice ministers in the period in which Canada's gun control system was being overhauled, declined to be interviewed for this article.

“They have created some serious problems here,” NDP public safety critic Randall Garrison says of the government's handling of the file.

“They simply give the canned response that they’ve freed everyone from the gun registry instead of saying there are some more things they are going to do. Even if they don’t bring back the registry, there are more things they can do to close those loopholes, and they refuse to acknowledge that.”

"Canada has a stronger gun control system in place to protect Canadian families than the United States," said a spokesperson for Public Safety Minister Vic Toews. "We have taken action to strengthen our laws and to stop violent crime and illegal firearms."
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AK and SKS share an owners manual? Really??

It's a good thing that there were no details of what an "antique firearm" is. Let people imagine old wall hanging muzzle loaders...
 
There you have it folks. Proof positive that they want further restriction on (and more for the prohib list) every firearm and potato launcher including 300 year old rusted non working relics.
 
Antiques, alterered to accept "modern" ammunition are not considered Antique.

I've heard this on more than one ocassion and I think this may be the thin edge of the wedge that puts an end to the "unregulated" Antique class.

Hope I'm wrong.
 
The Globe and Mail and Global News have both gone rabidly anti-firearm f:P: , and not just recently......:puke:


And don't think that they "tolerate" dissenting opinions :wave: - no opposing viewpoints or letters to the editor are published.


Futhermore, Ontario CFO Chris Wyatt has said he'd regulate all antique handguns with ATT's :bangHead: , given the chance.


We have some very dangerous and over-reaching opponents b: , ones who couldn't give a sigle d@mn about any opinion not their own.
 
Pete04 said:
Antiques, alterered to accept "modern" ammunition are not considered Antique.

I've heard this on more than one ocassion and I think this may be the thin edge of the wedge that puts an end to the "unregulated" Antique class.
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I think for the most part you will find that the antiques have been altered to accept obsolete cartridges formed from modern and currently available ammunition (empty brass)

cheers mooncoon
 
Let's make something illegal just to make sure no one commits a crime with it.
We know how gang-bangers lust after brown besses.
 
how much has the 'technology' advanced in firearms and, especially, magazines?

At its core an AR is an AR (however increasingly ugly they get as the years pass :p ), a blow back .22 semi is a blowback .22 semi whether a 10/22 or a PPSH lookalike, and a magazine is still limited to n-rounds, as classified.

Honestly these people are just working so very hard to justify their constant state of alarm. As a friend of mine might say "They're not happy until YOU'RE not happy". Not that she'd say that about this bunch, since she's an NDP loyalist anti herself (but a good individual nonetheless).
 
Cartridges of the World has the,
.38 sp introduced in 1902 (not antique)
.44 sp introduced in 1907 (not antique)
.45 acp introduced in 1905 (not antique)
Antiques converted to these and other modern cartridges are becoming more and more common and it is not going un-noticed.
IMHO
 
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Unfortunately Pete04 has a point. Scores of original Colt SAAs especially .41's have been pulled apart and reassembled as .38 Specials, .44 Specials, and .45 ACPs. It makes me quite angry. Admittedly, I was one of the clueless when I entered antiques, though thank goodness I never altered one. Have only owned originals and continue to and only in the last couple years have I come to realise how important this is, especially with information I learned of 18 months ago. We're not only pulling apart history we're piece by piece pulling apart one of the few sensible exemptions we enjoy in this hobby.

Never alter your antique to a non-antique, and even non-original chambering, and don't buy an altered gun either. The scary part is there is no way the RCMP will hire a board of antique experts to determine if a gun is original, and many manufacturers kept poor records (aside from Colt, and the obvious like models only offered in one chambering in the antique period), so the legislation will likely be blanketing. A few ruining it for many, they gave an inch we took a mile and we're almost certainly going to suffer for it. Painfully ignorant of us. I can only hope they stop at non-Pre 1898 chamberings.
 
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