What is the: "Hammer Follow/Trigger Safety Test"
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Pull oprod to #### hammer
Let oprod fly (never ride oprod), as hungry says, rack it like a man #####es
Squeeze trigger and hold
With trigger held, rack oprod again
Release trigger... You should hear a click
Squeeze trigger, hammer should "fire"
If no click, if no fire.... This is hammer follow... Rifle is unsafe to shoot till it passes this test
Let oprod fly (never ride oprod), as hungry says, rack it like a man #####es
Squeeze trigger and hold
With trigger held, rack oprod again
Release trigger... You should hear a click
Squeeze trigger, hammer should "fire"
If no click, if no fire.... This is hammer follow... Rifle is unsafe to shoot till it passes this test
ok so ive just picked up a new shorty.. and the hammer follows the bolt in this test..
went to my local gunshop to talk to my buddy who owns it.. he has a shorty on the wall.. does the exact same thing.. talked to another mate with a short and full length.. the shorty does, the full length ( 07 Norc, rather than an 09 polytech ) and the hammer doesnt follow on the full length but does on the shorty.
however, they all said that the rifles functioned as normal when fired.. never had an issue..
anyways, that aside.. whats the fix?
went to my local gunshop to talk to my buddy who owns it.. he has a shorty on the wall.. does the exact same thing.. talked to another mate with a short and full length.. the shorty does, the full length ( 07 Norc, rather than an 09 polytech ) and the hammer doesnt follow on the full length but does on the shorty.
however, they all said that the rifles functioned as normal when fired.. never had an issue..
anyways, that aside.. whats the fix?
I painted a USGI stock I owned awhile back and my full length M-305 started doing that , the fix was to remove a little bit of material from under the trigger pads and trigger guard.I removed a little at a time until it would pass the test.
When I bought my Shorty to get it to fit into that same stock I had to remove quite abit more material from the same areas to get it to pass the test.
All the shortys I have seen (8) seem to have a deeper recess cut into the stock in these areas and I believe the receiver dimensions on these may be different than regular length ones.
When I bought my Shorty to get it to fit into that same stock I had to remove quite abit more material from the same areas to get it to pass the test.
All the shortys I have seen (8) seem to have a deeper recess cut into the stock in these areas and I believe the receiver dimensions on these may be different than regular length ones.
Thanks for all the good replies. I will study the sticky as well. I will perform the test and see what happens.
In any case, I believe that I need to remove a bit of material from the stock. I switched from the plastic to a walnut stock, and it is very difficult to get the trigger group to seat correctly, and there is a sliver of a gap under one side of the receiver that show that the action is not fully set into the stock.
Thanks for the info!
Cheers,
Grey
In any case, I believe that I need to remove a bit of material from the stock. I switched from the plastic to a walnut stock, and it is very difficult to get the trigger group to seat correctly, and there is a sliver of a gap under one side of the receiver that show that the action is not fully set into the stock.
Thanks for the info!
Cheers,
Grey
Rocket Surgery
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
So I've been riding the op rod while playing mirror commando at home, am I half a man, like those dudes with the hyphenated last names?
Just curious, why is this worse for the gun than letting one piece of hardware touch another one in a really hard, fully lubed, and possibly tense way?
Just curious, why is this worse for the gun than letting one piece of hardware touch another one in a really hard, fully lubed, and possibly tense way?
So I've been riding the op rod while playing mirror commando at home, am I half a man, like those dudes with the hyphenated last names?
Just curious, why is this worse for the gun than letting one piece of hardware touch another one in a really hard, fully lubed, and possibly tense way?
To ensure full return to battery, ie full bolt lug lock up.
It's just the way it's supposed to be done Rocket
LOLGrey here is a pic of when I had to remove material from my USGI stock to get the shorty to fit correctly .
Also if you look on the bottom of the receiver you will notice that the right side is at an angle , this area is aprox 6 1/4 in long and to get my Reg length M-305 to fit in a Archangel stock some material had to be removed from the top right side of the stock. The groove is cut into the stock sloping towards the outside of the stock.
This is the part of my receiver shaped at an angle.
Also if you look on the bottom of the receiver you will notice that the right side is at an angle , this area is aprox 6 1/4 in long and to get my Reg length M-305 to fit in a Archangel stock some material had to be removed from the top right side of the stock. The groove is cut into the stock sloping towards the outside of the stock.
This is the part of my receiver shaped at an angle.
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all the shorties i mentioned are in factory stocks.. the owners swear on their lives that they havent taken the triggers apart for cleaning etc.. have to assume that they came this way from the factory
Page 13 of this PDF document also contains a good write up on this procedure. Cheers, Frank
It's most likely the stock fit Fenix.
Easy fix really.
All M14 rifles that fail the trigger test for hammer follow are unsafe to shoot, period.
Not because I say so.
Not because it's my opinion
Because it's fact.
Why am I stressing this so much?? Because someone could be seriously hurt if this condition is ignored.
"Operator" beware hehehe
I took your word for it since you know a hell of a lot more about M14s than i do and have advised my friends..
it was the stock fix though, as i fixed mine and 2 others today using a cone shaped grinding bit and a dremel..
bit of a relief that it was so simple!
Rocket Surgery
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
To ensure full return to battery, ie full bolt lug lock up.
It's just the way it's supposed to be done Rocket
But you mean when you're racking live ammo and not just cycling it at home after cleaning right? Are you saying that it's bad for the rifle just to hand cycle it or you should be letting go and racking it hard every time?
M14 101
When you chamber a round, rack it like you mean it
To do this, simply pull back and down on oprod, never up. And just let her fly home.
We do the same action for the trigger /hammer follow test to duplicate the slammin of the action as if it was firing a round.
Cycling it slowly for other reasons can't hurt the rifle, and neither can letting the oprod fly home on an empty chamber.
She's a battle rifle, don't be afraid to slap her around a little
When you chamber a round, rack it like you mean it
To do this, simply pull back and down on oprod, never up. And just let her fly home.
We do the same action for the trigger /hammer follow test to duplicate the slammin of the action as if it was firing a round.
Cycling it slowly for other reasons can't hurt the rifle, and neither can letting the oprod fly home on an empty chamber.
She's a battle rifle, don't be afraid to slap her around a little
Yeah, it's not hard on the gun at all. It's fine to do all day long in front of the mirror.
It's just the proper way to operate the rifle when actually using it for the reasons that the 45ACPKing stated.
Some would argue that you'd actually want to ride the bolt for mirror commando operations as dropping the bolt without a round to pick up and slow it down could be hard on it.
Edit: Oops, didn't notice the whole other second page.
It's just the proper way to operate the rifle when actually using it for the reasons that the 45ACPKing stated.
Some would argue that you'd actually want to ride the bolt for mirror commando operations as dropping the bolt without a round to pick up and slow it down could be hard on it.
Edit: Oops, didn't notice the whole other second page.
Yeah I have the same problem with my shorty. In its original Norinco stock, there is no problem. In the Choate stock that I just got for it, it fails the function test. Put her back in the Norinco, good again. Put back in the Choate and there is the problem. I just wanted to be sure that is what was wrong before I started hacking my new stock. Hope it is an easy fix.
