Yes, I Own Assault Rifles
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blaxsun
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Whatever it is, rest assured it's on someone's "want" list.
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love it when people base their definitions on wikipedia, the anonymously edited online reference tool
I can buy one tomorrow and it's listed on the wikipedia assault rifle page...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assault_rifles
the whole, "no it's not an assault rifle" argument based on magazine size is another silly premise. If that's the basis of your definition, I can take a 'sporting rifle' with a 5/30 and drop in a 30 and I now have an 'assault rifle'
the kettle is black, call it what you will...but arguing not calling an assault rifle and assault rifle based on wikipedia or a mag size is just a bad argument and serves no purpose
love it when people base their definitions on wikipedia, the anonymously edited online reference tool
Take for one of the multitude of examples, the Bushmaster ACR .223 Rifle 16"
I can buy one tomorrow and it's listed on the wikipedia assault rifle page...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assault_rifles
the whole, "no it's not an assault rifle" argument based on magazine size is another silly premise. If that's the basis of your definition, I can take a 'sporting rifle' with a 5/30 and drop in a 30 and I now have an 'assault rifle'
the kettle is black, call it what you will...but arguing not calling an assault rifle and assault rifle based on wikipedia or a mag size is just a bad argument and serves no purpose
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Steve Janes
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With all due respect the thread is going nowhere, it was destined to be this way.....I think this was Mr Blaxsun's idea in the first place
It's time to shut'er down already.
It's time to shut'er down already.
blaxsun
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Maybe you need to re-read the first post again. If you can't infer anything or read between the lines, then you obviously don't get it.
The idea was to have an open discussion, not 2 pages debating the merits of what comprises the definition of an "assault rifle".
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I get it, but you of all people must have known it would quickly get to this point. It's had it's run, do as you will, but I for one think this abomination of a thread needs to be locked. It really hasn't gone the way you'd hoped, and it isn't gunna change. It's too bad.
That's just how I feel about it.
blaxsun
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You mean like every thread devolves to the point of idiocy? Sure, no argument there.
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Unfortunately most of them do. But some (like this one) are destined for utter failure. Hence why I read it but didn't really comment
No, I completely understand you - and I also identify with your frustration.
We both know the 'true' nature of firearms, even 'black' rifles. I know that we as gun owners are constantly judged by the same liberal types that supposedly hate stereotypes of any type.
The challenge we have, is that the legitimacy of us maintaining our gun rights is directly in the hands of public will.
We don't have a 2nd Amendment - and for whatever reason, the idea of defending oneself in Canada is an unacceptable premise.
I find it increasingly hard to win in the court of public opinion....especially with liberal media bias such as it is.
I am tired of battling with word games and semantics...unfortunately, there is no other option. I want to be able to adopt a calloused nature, and tell the world to piss off...but that would get me no where.
So...I am not placating...I am playing the long game. I want up retain my firearms, and help educate people along the way.
Copy that?
We both know the 'true' nature of firearms, even 'black' rifles. I know that we as gun owners are constantly judged by the same liberal types that supposedly hate stereotypes of any type.
The challenge we have, is that the legitimacy of us maintaining our gun rights is directly in the hands of public will.
We don't have a 2nd Amendment - and for whatever reason, the idea of defending oneself in Canada is an unacceptable premise.
I find it increasingly hard to win in the court of public opinion....especially with liberal media bias such as it is.
I am tired of battling with word games and semantics...unfortunately, there is no other option. I want to be able to adopt a calloused nature, and tell the world to piss off...but that would get me no where.
So...I am not placating...I am playing the long game. I want up retain my firearms, and help educate people along the way.
Copy that?
PorkNBeans
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arguing definitions is not the best approach to keeping 'modern sporting rifles' legal for example. those with the power to do so make the definitions, as happened with assault rifles in the 94 US AWB.
Better putting efforts into things like arguing they're no greater danger than a semi-auto hunting rifle and explaining that to the general public in a way they get. The less 'scarey' the public sees this class rifle the better. If your a civilian that dresses in body armour, roams the woods with your non-restricted 22 black rifle hunting zombies, maybe try pink camo next time.
Better putting efforts into things like arguing they're no greater danger than a semi-auto hunting rifle and explaining that to the general public in a way they get. The less 'scarey' the public sees this class rifle the better. If your a civilian that dresses in body armour, roams the woods with your non-restricted 22 black rifle hunting zombies, maybe try pink camo next time.
I cant believe how many of you are hung up on the "defintion" of mean and scary and needs to be banned which is what "the powers that be" are attempting. I have seen two posts in this whole thread that have pointed out the ovbious. I have great success pointing out the following to people, assult rifle, battle rifle, ar(which many believe stands for assult rifle) etc is all irrelevant.
every advancement in guns in the history of guns was either developed for or incorporated into a military firearm As pointed out earlier the flintlock became the musket, the musket became the rolling block, which became the bolt(or lever or pump or what have you) which became the semi automatic/fully automatic by default. this last milestone happened well over 60 years ago(you could argue 100 years ago). everything since has been a refinement. nothing more. the genie is out of the bottle.
Everyone of those cutting edge military weapons has become the next standard for our humble civilian use. when we develop plasma rifles or lasers attached to sharks heads they will move into civilian hands eventualy history has proven it.
I agree with the effort blaxsuns making, I just wont attach a term. I own guns, they exist, so do bad people get over it.
general talking points I use
a trained soldier using great grandpas hunting gun the 1895 ish lee enfield (variations over its life cycle of course) was generally accepted to fire 20-30 accurate rounds a minute. the world record was set in 1914 38 rounds 12" target 300 yards!! sounds like a assult rifle to me.....
a 1911 45 is pretty iconic gun most people recognize one when they see one (even if they dont know why) evil evil semi auto also 100 years old makes it seem less scary
some semi auto friends of the 45 that seem less scary browning auto 5 was designed in 1898 began production 1905!! the titantic wasnt even on a drafting board yet!!
a BAR...1918 also a "assult rifle" did just that for a world war and stayed around into the sixties, while considered a light machine gun bear in mind its competition was pretty much crew served weapons, this was man portable.
luger 9mm also pretty iconic even to non gun people is a tad senior to our 45...1908
m1 garand 1936 also accepted that you could get 50 accurate shots a minute out of it, effective to 300m sounds pretty scary to me
next up the ak-47 the years in the name.....pretty much still the other guys standard assult rifle also owned by more civilians then probably any other gun in existence estimates put the amount between 75-100 million produced some estimates as high as 1 in 5 guns on the planet is a ak or direct descendant...
stoners iconic m-16(ar-15) the scariest rifle of them all also the youngest coming in at a 1957 design 1958 production 1963 in use by the military..fiddled with and refined but no real changes since
the thought of banning any other technology generally accepted to be somewhere between 100 and 55 years old would bring out laughter from most people in any other context excepting maybe a nuclear bomb. I know this post is boring and not exciting but thats what we need. educate people that a gun is a gun is a gun, they are here to stay and can be made with hand tools in a garage or basement(as many of the greatest designs initially were created and in poor regions still are today). allowing people to get caught up in the BS of pistol grips, stocks, detachable mags, appearence, colour of furniture, scary sounding terminolgy its all irrelevant. You cant put the genie back in the bottle.
history is always relevant and nothing really changes. crazy people have always been around always will. look what one could do with a match or some gasoline 100 years ago, hell 25 years ago (google Happy land fire, one pissed off drunk some recently acquired gas near 100 people) a vehicle through a crowd, I guess at the end of the day our innocents should be burned or blown up or ran down, that would make it much easier to take I am sure.........
rant over
sorry
every advancement in guns in the history of guns was either developed for or incorporated into a military firearm As pointed out earlier the flintlock became the musket, the musket became the rolling block, which became the bolt(or lever or pump or what have you) which became the semi automatic/fully automatic by default. this last milestone happened well over 60 years ago(you could argue 100 years ago). everything since has been a refinement. nothing more. the genie is out of the bottle.
Everyone of those cutting edge military weapons has become the next standard for our humble civilian use. when we develop plasma rifles or lasers attached to sharks heads they will move into civilian hands eventualy history has proven it.
I agree with the effort blaxsuns making, I just wont attach a term. I own guns, they exist, so do bad people get over it.
general talking points I use
a trained soldier using great grandpas hunting gun the 1895 ish lee enfield (variations over its life cycle of course) was generally accepted to fire 20-30 accurate rounds a minute. the world record was set in 1914 38 rounds 12" target 300 yards!! sounds like a assult rifle to me.....
a 1911 45 is pretty iconic gun most people recognize one when they see one (even if they dont know why) evil evil semi auto also 100 years old makes it seem less scary
some semi auto friends of the 45 that seem less scary browning auto 5 was designed in 1898 began production 1905!! the titantic wasnt even on a drafting board yet!!
a BAR...1918 also a "assult rifle" did just that for a world war and stayed around into the sixties, while considered a light machine gun bear in mind its competition was pretty much crew served weapons, this was man portable.
luger 9mm also pretty iconic even to non gun people is a tad senior to our 45...1908
m1 garand 1936 also accepted that you could get 50 accurate shots a minute out of it, effective to 300m sounds pretty scary to me
next up the ak-47 the years in the name.....pretty much still the other guys standard assult rifle also owned by more civilians then probably any other gun in existence estimates put the amount between 75-100 million produced some estimates as high as 1 in 5 guns on the planet is a ak or direct descendant...
stoners iconic m-16(ar-15) the scariest rifle of them all also the youngest coming in at a 1957 design 1958 production 1963 in use by the military..fiddled with and refined but no real changes since
the thought of banning any other technology generally accepted to be somewhere between 100 and 55 years old would bring out laughter from most people in any other context excepting maybe a nuclear bomb. I know this post is boring and not exciting but thats what we need. educate people that a gun is a gun is a gun, they are here to stay and can be made with hand tools in a garage or basement(as many of the greatest designs initially were created and in poor regions still are today). allowing people to get caught up in the BS of pistol grips, stocks, detachable mags, appearence, colour of furniture, scary sounding terminolgy its all irrelevant. You cant put the genie back in the bottle.
history is always relevant and nothing really changes. crazy people have always been around always will. look what one could do with a match or some gasoline 100 years ago, hell 25 years ago (google Happy land fire, one pissed off drunk some recently acquired gas near 100 people) a vehicle through a crowd, I guess at the end of the day our innocents should be burned or blown up or ran down, that would make it much easier to take I am sure.........
rant over
sorry
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That depends, did you and the other person have a pre determined safe word? If so than it isn't assault, it's kinky.
blaxsun
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There is no long game. There's just an end game with the next anti-firearm Government. We're not playing for time or survival here...
Exactly. Continuing to refute that it's not an "assault rifle" only serves to insert the word "assault rifle" along with a denial.
Luke_P, I'll just say that I enjoyed your post.
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PorkNBeans
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I wholeheartedly agree that we, and the nation as a whole, is way too hung up on terminology and needs to stop looking at things through tinted glasses. Education of those willing to listen is crucial to our cause. Yes, we have a cause.
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