Baikal Over Under

I've got a USSR O/U Baikal that's for 2.75 only. But I know they're now producing 3inch models. It's my favourite shotgun for occasional amateur trap. I think $300 starting is good for a used shooter, up from there depending on condition.
 
Alex_Zues said:
I've got a USSR O/U Baikal that's for 2.75 only. But I know they're now producing 3inch models. It's my favourite shotgun for occasional amateur trap. I think $300 starting is good for a used shooter, up from there depending on condition.
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Yes, newer Baikals will have 3" chambers. But any of the older USSR made guns that I have seen have been 2 3/4". I still have a USSR made IJ 27E and it is also 2 3/4". As far as the comment of $150.00 to $300.00 because it is a USSR made gun doesn't ring true. Many believe the USSR made guns were of better fit and finish and smoother functioning.
 
scrubfox said:
Just a note on the Baikal in the EE, it is an auto selective ejector, that's why it commands a higher price.
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Not sure which one you are referring too. If it is the one at $650.00, that's too high in my opinion. It is the same as the one I sold. Every USSR IJ 27E over/under that I have seen had the ejectors that could be switched to extractors if one wanted the extractor function. If the gun is in very good condition, around $450.00 tops. At $650.00 it will be for sale for a long time. One can go over board on the pricing.
 
Amen to the post above, the Baikals are selective. A brand new "made in Russia" can be had for less than the one listed. The USSR mark gives it 450 on the high end IMO.
 
so it doesnt state on the gun that its a 3" thats all ive ever really shot never had an issue with it, it is "made in the ussr" was just curious on the price, i love the gun, and would never get rid of it for anything else, by far is the best shotgun ive ever owned,

EDIT: so i jsut pulled it out again, grabbed the tape measure, and measured from the ridge inside the barrel to the point where the rim on the shell would sit it is 3"
 
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gunsaholic said:
There has been 4 of the older USSR made ones on the EE in the past few months. They all sold between $350.00 and $450.00 dollars. Like anything, one may find a lower price but I would say that's a pretty good indicator of what the market will bring. Of course if they are all beat to hell the price will be lower. On the one I sold, I had 4 other interested parties right after the "I'll take it".
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I'm glad I committed than! It's gorgeous and solid as a rock. Love the fore-stock styling too. Love it love it love it!

Thanks again ;)
 
I doubt you will find markings in inches, chamber length markings should be in metric. 70mm=2 3/4, 76mm=3", 89=3 1/2".
 
Winchester30-30 said:
EDIT: so i jsut pulled it out again, grabbed the tape measure, and measured from the ridge inside the barrel to the point where the rim on the shell would sit it is 3"
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So that's definite then. It's 2 3/4" chambered. As previously explained, the chamber is always a 1/4" longer than the shells made for the gun. This allows the crimp to open into the chamber rather than obstructing the forcing cone. Using 3" shells in a 2 3/4 chambered gun increases the pressures slightly. With a new gun, proofed for nitro, you're only punishing your shoulder. On an older gun, proofed only for black powder, you're taking a chance with a vintage piece, with your own safety, and that of everyone nearby.
 
straightshooter said:
So that's definite then. It's 2 3/4" chambered. As previously explained, the chamber is always a 1/4" longer than the shells made for the gun. This allows the crimp to open into the chamber rather than obstructing the forcing cone. Using 3" shells in a 2 3/4 chambered gun increases the pressures slightly. With a new gun, proofed for nitro, you're only punishing your shoulder. On an older gun, proofed only for black powder, you're taking a chance with a vintage piece, with your own safety, and that of everyone nearby.
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a 3" shell un fired is only 2.5 inches, there for its chambered for a 3" shell,
 
It all depends on how accurate your measurement is. Take an old credit card and cut a slice off of it that just fits into the chamber. Insert it (don't use excessive force) . It will stop when it hits the narrower part of the forcing cone. Then measure the length of the card. I checked mine again. I got just over 2 3/4" but it was definately less than 3". I have seen a couple of more of these online and they are also described as 2 3/4". Of course someone could have had the chambers lengthened.
 
what does a fired shell look like? Straight all the way to the end? Is the end of the shell clean or tattered? If the end is not straight, or the end of the shell looks tattered it could be 2 3/4" because the end of the shell can't open completely because it is in the beginning of the forcing cone.
 
Sorry, I'm illiterate -- can you spell your "BS" for me? What does it stand for? Apologies, I was raised in a different family with different manners, so I may not know all those abbreviation of yours :) Spell it out for me, be so kind...

On the side note, the gun is worth what somebody is willing to pay for it RIGHT NOW. Just like with everything else out there on the market -- a house, a stock, a car. If nobody wants to buy it and no offers are present, that means the gun is worth $0.00 at the given moment. If somebody offers $1000, then it's worth $1000. It's whatever people are willing to pay for it -- that's what it's worth.

So, having said that, knowing that the new ones go for $500-600 and the ones made in the USSR have no historic or art value, it would be safe to assume that people would want to part with $150-300 for that older piece. I would probably pay around $250 for if it is in good to very good condition.

GameStalker30-06 said:
That seems like a major low ball, just being based on that it is an older model...if that thing was excellent condition..are you saying it would be only worth $150-$300?? because it was made in USSR? I call BS on that.
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No, $150-300 is not because it was made in the USSR but because it's an older piece only. Nothing to do with USSR :)


gunsaholic said:
Yes, newer Baikals will have 3" chambers. But any of the older USSR made guns that I have seen have been 2 3/4". I still have a USSR made IJ 27E and it is also 2 3/4". As far as the comment of $150.00 to $300.00 because it is a USSR made gun doesn't ring true. Many believe the USSR made guns were of better fit and finish and smoother functioning.
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