transfer notification?
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The Transfer Notification has the New Registration Certificate No. but it is not the Registration Certificate.
I have tried to find out if the Registration Certificate needs to accompany the firearm on the trip to the range or if having the number is enough and so far have drawn a blank.
I have tried to find out if the Registration Certificate needs to accompany the firearm on the trip to the range or if having the number is enough and so far have drawn a blank.
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from my understanding, that notice is only for advising you have a transfer... but you must wait till registration comes in to have possession of the firearm.
could be wrong, school me!
could be wrong, school me!
I too would like to know
I received my GSG 1911 last wednesday went to store and picked up , store had transfer notification and LTATT from store to home only...its now tuesday and still no registration and Im off tomorrow and am thinking of going to indoor range BUT can't find out if transfer paperwork is ok to use untill orig paperwork shows up.
why would they allow me to be in possesion without proper papers.
I'll try calling cfo today before work
Glenn.
I received my GSG 1911 last wednesday went to store and picked up , store had transfer notification and LTATT from store to home only...its now tuesday and still no registration and Im off tomorrow and am thinking of going to indoor range BUT can't find out if transfer paperwork is ok to use untill orig paperwork shows up.
why would they allow me to be in possesion without proper papers.
I'll try calling cfo today before work
Glenn.
It has been reported here that someone called their CFOffice and inquire about the transfer notice being used in lieu of the registration certificate for purposes of ATT use.
He was told to wait for the certificate.
You could always call your CFOffice.
He was told to wait for the certificate.
You could always call your CFOffice.
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- On a resonably direct route in NS
The Transfer Notification is sent from your Provincial CFO's office, once they have approved you (yet again) to be in possession of certain fire-arms. If you need additional paper-work like an up-dated ATT, they will usually include it in the same envelope.
Registration, however, is handled by the CFC in Miramichi. They will print new Registration Certificates in batches to save work (once per week), then they all go in the mail. No further approval is necessary, but this will delay your Certificate by the time until they print, plus mail delivery time from New Brunswick.
Read your ATT. It will most likely state the condition that you must be in ‘possession’ of the Certificate, meaning you should have it on your person, rather than being the ‘holder’ of it, meaning that it has legally been issued to you and not revoked (and a computer check can verify your holder status).
Is it possible that a police officer will accept the Transfer Notification (with Certificate number) as proof of compliance if it ever comes to that? Maybe, but that's not how the regulation is worded. Is it probable that no-one will ever even know you were treading on this thin ice? Absolutely. But technically, you must wait until you have the Certificate for each fire-arm you will be transporting. In the mean-time, try calling your CFO and requesting a Short-Term ATT, perhaps for participation in a target competition, without this condition attached; it seems reasonable, so why would they refuse?
Jump to the Legalese forum here to get the lawyers involved in deciphering all the complicated language of the Firearms Act.
Registration, however, is handled by the CFC in Miramichi. They will print new Registration Certificates in batches to save work (once per week), then they all go in the mail. No further approval is necessary, but this will delay your Certificate by the time until they print, plus mail delivery time from New Brunswick.
Read your ATT. It will most likely state the condition that you must be in ‘possession’ of the Certificate, meaning you should have it on your person, rather than being the ‘holder’ of it, meaning that it has legally been issued to you and not revoked (and a computer check can verify your holder status).
Is it possible that a police officer will accept the Transfer Notification (with Certificate number) as proof of compliance if it ever comes to that? Maybe, but that's not how the regulation is worded. Is it probable that no-one will ever even know you were treading on this thin ice? Absolutely. But technically, you must wait until you have the Certificate for each fire-arm you will be transporting. In the mean-time, try calling your CFO and requesting a Short-Term ATT, perhaps for participation in a target competition, without this condition attached; it seems reasonable, so why would they refuse?
Jump to the Legalese forum here to get the lawyers involved in deciphering all the complicated language of the Firearms Act.
I have been going to various ranges to shoot for about 50 years. I have never been asked for a copy of a registration certificate. Once I was asked for my ATT. I had forgotten mine that day, so I showed them my buddy's. They did not notice the difference.
I own quite few guns and shoot quite a variety of them. If I drove only one vehicle, I suppose I could make a photocopy binder of all the certs and leave it in the car, but it would be as thick as a phone book.
I have also traveled extensively with firearms to countries that have extensive import/export controls on visitors with guns. Only twice have the inspectors asked to see the paperwork (once in England and once in USA).
I am guessing that the police do not get enough practice working with firearm paperwork that they try very hard to avoid it.
I own quite few guns and shoot quite a variety of them. If I drove only one vehicle, I suppose I could make a photocopy binder of all the certs and leave it in the car, but it would be as thick as a phone book.
I have also traveled extensively with firearms to countries that have extensive import/export controls on visitors with guns. Only twice have the inspectors asked to see the paperwork (once in England and once in USA).
I am guessing that the police do not get enough practice working with firearm paperwork that they try very hard to avoid it.
Strange ....
I have been on a range once when an RCMP arrived during a .22 sil pistol event and started to random check shooters, looking at reg. certs and ATTs. I asked if he was there with info that someone was there illegally or if he had been so ordered by the Watch Commander; otherwise he was trespassing on club property. He gave me attitude, but left. This protector of the public would also sit outside the local gun shop and check people coming and going for paperwork - "Papiere, bitte ...."
His a$$ was bounced to another detachment and eventually out of the force.
I can transfer a vehicle, re-register it, insure it, or renew my driver's licence and get interim pieces of paper that allow me until the new documents arrive. But, when it comes to those deadly guns .....
Shows ta go ya how nonsensical gun laws are in general. But, they were never intended to make sense from the get-go. In the meantime, the west coast gang-bangers continue to make hit after hit in broad daylight. At least our BC crooks can shoot and hit the intended target.
Is it really a crime when one bad ass shoots another? Shouldn't we be encouraging this? The Keystone Cops aren't making any arrests and we await the next incident.
But, we have to play the "Papiere, bitte ...." game to go to the range. Only in Canada, you say .... pity.
I have been on a range once when an RCMP arrived during a .22 sil pistol event and started to random check shooters, looking at reg. certs and ATTs. I asked if he was there with info that someone was there illegally or if he had been so ordered by the Watch Commander; otherwise he was trespassing on club property. He gave me attitude, but left. This protector of the public would also sit outside the local gun shop and check people coming and going for paperwork - "Papiere, bitte ...."
His a$$ was bounced to another detachment and eventually out of the force.
I can transfer a vehicle, re-register it, insure it, or renew my driver's licence and get interim pieces of paper that allow me until the new documents arrive. But, when it comes to those deadly guns .....
Shows ta go ya how nonsensical gun laws are in general. But, they were never intended to make sense from the get-go. In the meantime, the west coast gang-bangers continue to make hit after hit in broad daylight. At least our BC crooks can shoot and hit the intended target.
Is it really a crime when one bad ass shoots another? Shouldn't we be encouraging this? The Keystone Cops aren't making any arrests and we await the next incident.
But, we have to play the "Papiere, bitte ...." game to go to the range. Only in Canada, you say .... pity.
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turbo_bird
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- Kamloops, BC
The way I look at it is that if the transfer notification with all the info from the real certificate is good enough to get me from the gun store with a short term ATT that says I must have the registration certificate, then it is good enough to go to the range with until the real one shows up in the mail. Maybe others are not comfortable with this, but I am. What a joke our laws are, make it so confusing that no one will bother with handguns and they don't have to ban them to get rid of them.
Kristian
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handofzeus
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I was told by the CFC that the transfer NUMBER was enough! With that said though, I'd at least ask for an email to that effect with the name of somebody from the CFC on it and print it out to accompany the number. Or just wait the 2-3 weeks for your registration slip.....anticipation just makes it THAT much better!
I also inquired into this with my CFO here in Alberta. The lady who approved a transfer for me said that the transfer notice was a 'temporary registration certificate' until I received the official registration in the mail and that I was fine to transport from home to range (with LATT, of course). Reading the above replies makes me shake my head as our, and more importantly, the governing bodies interpretation of the laws is extremely variable depending on who you speak with.
You will get a different opinion or interpretation depending upon who you ask. The LAST person you want to ask is your local police!
The individual CPFOs have latitude in how they will administer the law, hence the variance in club membership requirements, ATT provisions, etc. It is logical that if you have jumped through all the hoops to get a transfer number, you have complied with the spirit, if not the letter of the law.
Next time you're breaking a speed limit or making a rolling stop on the way to the range, you can rely on getting fair and just treatment when you produce your interim document(s) ..... right ..... and I have a bridge for sale .....
The individual CPFOs have latitude in how they will administer the law, hence the variance in club membership requirements, ATT provisions, etc. It is logical that if you have jumped through all the hoops to get a transfer number, you have complied with the spirit, if not the letter of the law.
Next time you're breaking a speed limit or making a rolling stop on the way to the range, you can rely on getting fair and just treatment when you produce your interim document(s) ..... right ..... and I have a bridge for sale .....
Called the CFO office to get clarification on this. The transfer notification is a temporary registration certificate only to get the firearm home for a sort term att. For your long term Att you NEED to have the actual registration certificate to take it to the range. The transfer notice is not good enough to take it to the range with your long term ATT
I am not a lawyer but, the "transfer notification" is an official document from the RCMP Canadian Firearms Center's approval. It lawfully enables the Dealer/seller to give the new owner possession of the restricted firearm therefore proof of ownership and registration IMO. Other than approval of transfer and registration, why else would they give the notification? Is the restricted firearm registered? YES!
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