Did you ever wonder what half a ton of .223 ammo looks like in the back of a pickup?

Neo said:
Well fellas, it's started. After dropping off most of the ammo for storage, I swung by the range and let off 200 rounds. So I'm no longer the proud owner of 32,000 rounds but rather 31,800. At this rate it will be gone in no time :)

For those who are on the fence re: Norinco ammo, I have to say this current stuff is a big step up from the older lots showing the '94 headstamp. Those older ones seem to have a lot of off-centre flash holes, which these ones don't. Other positives are that the primers are not crimped, and the brass seems well annealed where it should be. I've also run a few spent cases through a gauge and was shocked at the neck consistency, which is remarkably good -- it's certainly not Lapua, but at least as good as what Winchester seems to be producing these days. Long story short -- these seem to be very reloadable brass. Accuracy wise, I'm seeing around 2 MOA which seems quite reasonable for bulk ammo -- certainly good enough for reasonably serious practice.

Incidentally, it's worth mentioning for those who don't know that there are limits on what can be stored in a single location. If you look in the explosives regs, it's a max of 225 kg of cartridges in a single place. Just sayin' in case there's anyone who wants to try trumping me. I just needed two buddies willing to store several cases each until the ones I kept run out. Oh, and a piece of advice -- make sure they're non-shooting buddies. I wouldn't trust anyone on this site to store it for any longer than it would take them to launch it down range :p
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Neo, same bad (or maybe good) news for you. It is my understanding that your interpretation is a little bit out, as it reads: 225 kilograms of explosives contained in ammunition of Division 1 of Class 6. The keyword is "contained in ammunition", ie: the powder charge. Accordingly:

225kg = 496lbs
in 1 lb there are 7000 grains.
Assuming these have a heafty powder charge of 30 grains/cartridge, this means you can store approximately 115k 223 rounds.

Hopefully someone can confirm this, but that is how I intrurrpret it (and I believe others may too!)

Congrats on a sweet ammo haul!
 
macsailer said:
Neo, same bad (or maybe good) news for you. It is my understanding that your interpretation is a little bit out, as it reads: 225 kilograms of explosives contained in ammunition of Division 1 of Class 6. The keyword is "contained in ammunition", ie: the powder charge. Accordingly:

225kg = 496lbs
in 1 lb there are 7000 grains.
Assuming these have a heafty powder charge of 30 grains/cartridge, this means you can store approximately 115k 223 rounds.

Hopefully someone can confirm this, but that is how I intrurrpret it (and I believe others may too!)

Congrats on a sweet ammo haul!
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Yes, the 225kg is net explosive quantity, not the weight of the complete round. OP isn't close to that limit with his cache, he can sleep easy.


Mark
 
macsailer said:
Neo, same bad (or maybe good) news for you. It is my understanding that your interpretation is a little bit out, as it reads: 225 kilograms of explosives contained in ammunition of Division 1 of Class 6. The keyword is "contained in ammunition", ie: the powder charge. Accordingly:

225kg = 496lbs
in 1 lb there are 7000 grains.
Assuming these have a heafty powder charge of 30 grains/cartridge, this means you can store approximately 115k 223 rounds.

Hopefully someone can confirm this, but that is how I intrurrpret it (and I believe others may too!)

Congrats on a sweet ammo haul!
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I concur with your interpretation.
 
Neo said:
Incidentally, it's worth mentioning for those who don't know that there are limits on what can be stored in a single location. If you look in the explosives regs, it's a max of 225 kg of cartridges in a single place. Just sayin' in case there's anyone who wants to try trumping me. I just needed two buddies willing to store several cases each until the ones I kept run out. Oh, and a piece of advice -- make sure they're non-shooting buddies. I wouldn't trust anyone on this site to store it for any longer than it would take them to launch it down range :p
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Wait, you have buddies who aren't shooters........convert them now, you have the ammo to do so.
 
macsailer said:
Neo, same bad (or maybe good) news for you. It is my understanding that your interpretation is a little bit out, as it reads: 225 kilograms of explosives contained in ammunition of Division 1 of Class 6. The keyword is "contained in ammunition", ie: the powder charge. Accordingly:

225kg = 496lbs
in 1 lb there are 7000 grains.
Assuming these have a heafty powder charge of 30 grains/cartridge, this means you can store approximately 115k 223 rounds.

Hopefully someone can confirm this, but that is how I intrurrpret it (and I believe others may too!)

Congrats on a sweet ammo haul!
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I stand corrected -- just goes to show it's worth re-reading most things you read once and figured you had right. At my age, that's starting to apply to pleasure reading as well, as I've managed to forget much of what I read in my youth. Ah well, there's nothing wrong with getting to discover Jack O'Connor all over again :)

Still, I'm going to keep the bulk of this stuff stored off-site for the time being. The Explosives Act may say I can keep 32,000 rounds at home but I can assure you that's an entirely different matter than explaining 20 crates of ammo to my better half! She knows how much I shoot, but there's no reason to give her visual cues that will help her *really* figure it out!
 
Neo said:
For the last several weeks, we've been going through an out-of-the-blue medical crisis that came nerve-wrackingly close to turning me into a widower.
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Obviously you told her about your dream of buying ammo in bulk and then explained how much that involved and why she would never be able to park her car in the garage again.
:p:p:p
 
Neo said:
That's the general idea, but I came to it rather philosophically. For the last several weeks, we've been going through an out-of-the-blue medical crisis that came nerve-wrackingly close to turning me into a widower. Fortunately, my wife seems to be slowly recovering, but for both of us it's been a heck of a wake-up call. We both work far too much, somehow getting caught up in that neverending rat race that only ends when you finally run out of time. We both know better, but it's often hard to break out of those ingrained patterns of working hard now and deferring too many of life's pleasures for "someday". But what if you don't make it to "someday"?

So we've talked about her dream of seeing the wildebeest and zebra herds migrating across the Serengeti, and of spending a few days seeing the wildlife and splendor of the Ngorongo Crater -- and are now starting to plan something for 2014. And I'm also starting to hear rumblings about a couple weeks in Polynesia somewhere a couple years after that.

As for me, I find myself thinking about which dream hunts I still need to make happen while I still can. And closer to home, I realize that I need to spend more Saturday mornings at the range rather than popping in to the office to get "caught up".

So yeah, I think it's time to actually start wearing out a few more barrels :)
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Sorry about your wife, I really hope she gets 100%.

Wife and I did the Serengeti/Ngogoro/Lake whatchamacallit a little over a year ago. I did it for my wife and had no real desire to do it myself before we left. Well I was a dumb a$$, it was the trip of a lifetime. It is well worth it.
 
Neo said:
Well fellas, it's started. After dropping off most of the ammo for storage, I swung by the range and let off 200 rounds. So I'm no longer the proud owner of 32,000 rounds but rather 31,800. At this rate it will be gone in no time :)

For those who are on the fence re: Norinco ammo, I have to say this current stuff is a big step up from the older lots showing the '94 headstamp. Those older ones seem to have a lot of off-centre flash holes, which these ones don't. Other positives are that the primers are not crimped, and the brass seems well annealed where it should be. I've also run a few spent cases through a gauge and was shocked at the neck consistency, which is remarkably good -- it's certainly not Lapua, but at least as good as what Winchester seems to be producing these days. Long story short -- these seem to be very reloadable brass. Accuracy wise, I'm seeing around 2 MOA which seems quite reasonable for bulk ammo -- certainly good enough for reasonably serious practice.

Incidentally, it's worth mentioning for those who don't know that there are limits on what can be stored in a single location. If you look in the explosives regs, it's a max of 225 kg of cartridges in a single place. Just sayin' in case there's anyone who wants to try trumping me. I just needed two buddies willing to store several cases each until the ones I kept run out. Oh, and a piece of advice -- make sure they're non-shooting buddies. I wouldn't trust anyone on this site to store it for any longer than it would take them to launch it down range :p
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This is music to my ears. I picked up a couple cases of this stuff with the intention of reloading in the near future. Thanks for the review.
 
15+ years ago when the North Bay police switched from 38's to 40's I was able to buy the bulk 38sp+p target rounds at $40/1000. I bought 10,000. Of course I was stoped by the OPP in Burks Falls (Ride Check) Took a bit to explain why I had 10 boxes of ammo marked Property of North Boy Police Services in the back of my open pick up. I still have 38's out the ying/yang.
 
my72jeep said:
15+ years ago when the North Bay police switched from 38's to 40's I was able to buy the bulk 38sp+p target rounds at $40/1000. I bought 10,000. Of course I was stoped by the OPP in Burks Falls (Ride Check) Took a bit to explain why I had 10 boxes of ammo marked Property of North Boy Police Services in the back of my open pick up. I still have 38's out the ying/yang.
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If ever there was a perfect definition of "the good old days", I think you just came up with it. Really!?!? $40/1000 for 38 SPL rounds? It makes me weak in the knees just thinking about it!!! Today, that's about what the primers alone cost :rolleyes:

Ah yes, the good old days... Sigh...
 
Well your son will definitely win one of those childhood conversations that go like this OH YEAH .. "well my dads got more ammo then you dad" ..... unless the other kids last name is Remington or Berger
 
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