Need help picking a IPSC Pistol

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ok ive got a few pistols, and ya they would qualify if i changed a few things on the glock but i want a new pistol for ipsc and need some help of what to look for.
right now i have a gen4 glock 17 9mm, but i have a polished trigger job and a 3.5 connector. its probably got a 5-7lb pull now.
sig p226 9mm and a sig p220 which was a .22lr but have the 45 conversion.

so looks like non of what i have really qualify to be used except the p226, but thats also out because i have hogue grips on it.

i was thinking of getting another glock 17, but then i started considering the glock 22 and the m&p 9 or 40.

any suggestions as to what to buy? i was planing on the cz shadow but on the ipsc list it is not approved..

does the caliber i shoot (9mm vs 40 vs .45) make any difference in scoring?
what can be modified on a pistol and keep in the production class? like can i polish the internals to get rid of crunchy trigger? can i put a different trigger connector in? i heard any grip tape is a no no.

ill move onto what belt, holster and mag holder after i choose the pistol.

any directions appreciated.
 
Hogue grips will put him out of production division...but still allowed in Standard Division.
Take the course with what you have, there are no scored divisions on the BB course, it's simply pass/fail. Once you get through the course you'll have a better idea of what you will be interested in.
 
dinsdale said:
The CZ shadow is IPSC approved.
Where were you looking?

Also, use your 226 and take the Black Badge. Lots explained in it.
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You mean production Division approved. Any Centerfire handgun can be used in IPSC. If its not on the production list it means it needs to be shot in another division (standard/open unless its a revolver or meets the rules for Classic)
 
I agree with the recommendation to take the BB course with whatever pistol you like the most. You will learn about the different divisions as well as major vs. minor power factor and can make a much more informed decision after that if you really decide you "need" a new gun. I'd recommend shooting a match or three with any one of your guns mentioned which should all be OK for Standard division. After a few matches you'll have seen lots of different guns and gear and have a much better idea of where you may want to go from there.

I'm a Glock fan. Right now, I shoot a stock G17 in Production (no benefit for larger caliber as all guns in production are classed as "minor" power factor). But, I'm on the lookout for a Glock 35 and may start working with that for Standard division.

IPSC is a ton of fun and there's lots of very helpful and friendly people in the sport to help you along.
 
Not trying to hijack the thread but is there any specific brand or type of holster to look for using in IPSC prior to sitting the BB course, say for his Sig226? Factory or after market product?
 
Pat's right; take the BB course with what you have, then try out some other platforms to see what you like. CZ SP01 Shadow is definitely approved for Production and it has turned into the most popular choice in this division....for good reason.
 
the production list specifically named the shadow as not approved. It was on the ipsc ontario website.
If I can use it then ill grab one, but not if I'm going to have points against me right off the bat.

Does the trigger connector I added on my glock bump be out of the production division? What about the polishing job of the trigger group?
 
ez8 said:
the production list specifically named the shadow as not approved. It was on the ipsc ontario website.
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Where exactly?

IPSC Production Division List said:
CZ75B Omega, CZ75 P-02, CZ75, CZ75B, CZ75B Stainless, CZ75BD, CZ75BD Police, CZ75 Compact, CZ75D Compact, CZ75 SemiCompact, CZ75 Combat II, CZ85, CZ85B, CZ85 Combat

CZ40B, CZ97B, CZ99, CZ100, CZ110, CZ2075 Rami, CZ2075 Rami P

CZ75 P01, P07 Duty, CZ75 SP-01, CZ75 SP-01 Tactical, CZ75 SP-01 Shadow, CZ75 SP01 Dual Tone, CZ75 SP-01 Sport (9x21mm version with OFM trigger stop as sold in Italy), CZ75 SP-01 Phantom, CZ75 SP-01 Shadow TR, CZ75 SP-01 SHADOW 2012

Also approved are variants with original Ceska Zbrojovka (CZUB) barrels which are longer than standard (e.g. SP-01A, SP-01DK, SP-01DK Shadow), provided the barrel length does not exceed 127mm, and provided all other aspects of these variants fully comply with all other Production Division rules. All dual tone models, and approved models with OFM coloured frames, are also approved.

(CZUSA Custom Shop models including the SP-01 Shadow Target and CZ 75 SP01 ACCU Shadow, and Frankonia “Mamba” and “Viper” versions, are not approved)
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http://www.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.php
 
ez8 said:
the production list specifically named the shadow as not approved. It was on the ipsc ontario website.
If I can use it then ill grab one, but not if I'm going to have points against me right off the bat.

Does the trigger connector I added on my glock bump be out of the production division? What about the polishing job of the trigger group?
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I think you're misreading it. CZ USA custom Shop versions are not approved. Standard Shadows are approved. http://www.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.php
Since it is the most popular Production gun in the world right now it would have to be....
If your Glock trigger group is OEM and above 5 lbs pull it's good to go. Polishing or deburring is ok.
 
Ya looks like I read it wrong.
It says sp01 shadow target
http://www.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.php

Well that makes things easier. I've wanted a shadow for a while, now just have to figuer out 9mm or 40sw... And if they make the shadow in 40sw.

When I read the list saying the shadow wasn't approved it kinda threw me, a friend of mine specifically said that's what he used.

Thanks for the info everyone.
 
Great to know about the polishing being ok.
So I have that lown wolf 3.5lb connector added, if I swap that out to a glock made 3.5 connector would that be ok? I think it came with a 5lb connector.

Truthfully I don't think it made all that much of a diference, the polishing I did made the biggest impact on the trigger.

I've got a ok shot with the glock 17. Yesterday I put 10/10 at medium speed in a 3" target @ 15 yards. But I know I'm a way better shot with the shadow.
I know ipsc is going to be a whole diferent ballgame though.

I don't want to use my sig 226 because its a 1989, it only comes out once and a while.

Ill probably do my course with the glock.
Is there a specific holster I should pick up? I've got a uncle mikes one that seems ok.
 
ez8 said:
Great to know about the polishing being ok.
So I have that lown wolf 3.5lb connector added, if I swap that out to a glock made 3.5 connector would that be ok? I think it came with a 5lb connector.

Truthfully I don't think it made all that much of a diference, the polishing I did made the biggest impact on the trigger.

I've got a ok shot with the glock 17. Yesterday I put 10/10 at medium speed in a 3" target @ 15 yards. But I know I'm a way better shot with the shadow.
I know ipsc is going to be a whole diferent ballgame though.

I don't want to use my sig 226 because its a 1989, it only comes out once and a while.

Ill probably do my course with the glock.
Is there a specific holster I should pick up? I've got a uncle mikes one that seems ok.
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For the Glock, OEM parts are approved; aftermarket are not. But you will have to ensure that your trigger breaks at or above 5 lbs.
For the course just use the holster you have. Afterwards, you can take your time looking at different options and picking the one that fits you best. You'll probably end up with a CZ Shadow in a Bladetech DOH holster with CR-Speed or Ghost mag pouches, but that's just my prediction. There's nothing wrong with a Glock and an Uncle Mike's holster but if you are going to spend some money the best thing is to try before you buy so you don't end up throwing your money in the toilet.
 
ez8,
All depends how serious you want to be. Ammo is more important than a pistol in my opinion, but good pistol, which works and is tuned with mags is a bonus.
Training from an IPSC only trainer will speed up your development.
Having or investing in Dillon reloading equipment will help with ammo.
Buying once, (not such a thing) and expensive makes sense. If you are going CZ route, buy extra mags, IMO minimum you need is 6, but 8 will be better.
Consider Tanfoglio Stock II or Stock III, I have got Stock II from exchange forum and can say, it is a way better builds gun then Shadow.
A good bet, I like DAA, some go with CR Speed, buy good pouches. I will recommend CR Speed, they are not that expensive and they will outlast you.
Go to Brain Enos forum and read a lot about skill development. Get yourself a buddy who can train with you.

Good Luck
 
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