Can I buy a shorter xcr 5.56 barrel?

Mirk said:
What is a non-restricted platform exactly? There are named restricteds and named prohibiteds, everything else falls into their classifications based on OAL, barrel length etc…
Click to expand...

Yeah...you have it pretty much nailed down. There are restricteds, prohibs, antiques, and every other firearm that's none of the above.

I recall one thread about a guy basically trying to build a Ruger Charger pistol off of a 10/22 receiver and insisting it would be non-restricted because he bought the receiver as a "non-restricted" firearm.

I tried, in vain, to explain that there's no such thing as a non-restricted receiver. You build the receiver into a functioning firearm and when that's done the resulting specs on the fully functioning firearm determine its class. Some people hear only what they want to hear though.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?806463-Less-than-26-quot-660mm-OAL-Prohib-or-not&p=7722817&highlight=charger#post7722817
 
Jäger said:
I tried, in vain, to explain that there's no such thing as a non-restricted receiver. You build the receiver into a functioning firearm and when that's done the resulting specs on the fully functioning firearm determine its class. Some people hear only what they want to hear though.
Click to expand...

Technically, there is no such calssification as non-restricted... right... ;)
 
So what you guys are saying is you can't put a NR length barrel on a rifle registered as restricted because if they stop you and look up a NR rifle that normaly aren't registerded in their database it will say its restricted? Hopefully that made sence.

Wouldn't the conversation go
Cop: hey is that restricted?
You: nope it's not an ar15 and it has over 18.5 inch barrel see ( measure it and show him). They only make these in 7.5" , 10" pistol versions and NR rifle version so its easy to tell if its restricted. Is there anything els I can help you with today officer?
Cop: No there isn't and seeing as its NR there's no point for me to look it up in our database since it won't be there, have a nice day.

Or am I wrong and a bad person for thinking you can do this terrible and evil thing that would barely involves a tiny lie. It's not like it hurts anyone in anyway and what's the difference really?
 
Last edited:
Mirk said:
Technically, there is no such calssification as non-restricted... right... ;)
Click to expand...

The number of people asking for the law defining a non-restricted firearm seems to indicate so. Personally, I don't own any non-restricteds. I sold all mine to Mike in Canmore. I'm willing to bet you don't either. In fact, I'd be shocked if anyone on this site owned any non-restricteds :p

Caleb314 said:
So what you guys are saying is you can't put a NR length barrel on a rifle registered as restricted because if they stop you and look up a NR rifle that normaly aren't registerded in their database it will say its restricted?

.....

Cop: No there isn't and seeing as its NR there's no point for me to look it up in our database since it won't be there, have a nice day.

Or am I wrong and a bad person for thinking you can do this terrible and evil thing
Click to expand...

No, you're not wrong or a bad person for trying to find a way around a wrong and a bad law. In my opinion that scenario might just play out exactly as you said it would. However it also might not. Here are some of the assumptions I'm making:

- Officer rolls up to your shooting spot
- At some point, he will punch your plate number into his computer, which I am told reveals that you are a PAL holder (which is obvious if you're shooting, and if no one present is a PAL holder you're already screwed at this point)
- This data that comes up may or may not contain information about restricted firearms registered to you
- If it does, it might contain information on the gun that you are shooting in a non-restricted configuration, at which point you might be screwed if he knows what the gun looks like, or his database contains photos of the gun, or he decides to scrutinize the serial number

The officer might also look up the FRT on any non-traditional firearm that he doesn't recognize....or he might not and just bust out the measuring tape....or he might not and just leave after he's satisfied you're shooting safely. I've never had an officer come by and check out my shooting, so I'm not sure what the typical run-down is, but I would think it would be reasonable for them to ask to see PALs. Beyond that, an officer with nothing better to do might check out your magazines, etc. I would expect most would be satisfied with checking out your backstop, checking out your PAL and reminding you to clean up when you're done.

I mean the situation could go a number of different ways that result in the officer either leaving and saying have a nice day, or checking your info. Is it worth the risk? The bottom line is if you're shooting a firearm registered as a restricted anywhere but where you're authorized to, you are indeed committing a crime. If I understand the rules correctly, before the firearm is considered to no longer be restricted after some kind of a change, it must first be approved by a verifier.

The only experience I've had with an officer and my guns is I was once stopped at a spot check on my way home after a long weekend. They were checking for drunk drivers leaving the casino up the road. The officer walks up to my window and after going through the motions, notices my shotgun. "Is that a shotgun?" *Yes sir* "Is it loaded?" *No sir* "May I see your license" *Here you go* ..... pause ...... "Have a nice day".

Of course if this was in Waterloo, our jackbooted thugs might have reacted differently :D :p
 
Last edited:
Caleb314 said:
They only make these in 7.5" , 10" pistol versions and NR rifle version so its easy to tell if its restricted.

Or am I wrong
Click to expand...

You are wrong, in Canada the 10" version is not available to us.

You want simple proof of your NR status just keep the FRT # with you, have you seen most people with a tape measure? lol to easy to measure wrong.

edit: Jager beat me to it but exactly my point, the last thing you need is johnny law taking the measurement
 
Caleb314 said:
So what you guys are saying is you can't put a NR length barrel on a rifle registered as restricted because if they stop you and look up a NR rifle that normaly aren't registerded in their database it will say its restricted? Hopefully that made sence.

Wouldn't the conversation go
Cop: hey is that restricted?
You: nope it's not an ar15 and it has over 18.5 inch barrel see ( measure it and show him). They only make these in 7.5" , 10" pistol versions and NR rifle version so its easy to tell if its restricted. Is there anything els I can help you with today officer?
Cop: No there isn't and seeing as its NR there's no point for me to look it up in our database since it won't be there, have a nice day.

Or am I wrong and a bad person for thinking you can do this terrible and evil thing that would barely involves a tiny lie. It's not like it hurts anyone in anyway and what's the difference really?
Click to expand...

What happens is the cop runs the serial number and the result comes back as Restricted, and you get arrested on multiple firearms charges.

The thread was mainly discussing the ramifications of putting a Restricted length barrel on a Non-Restricted firearm.

Also, as per the requirements of informing the Registrar of changes that result in reclassification of the gun, IMO you're safe as long as you have informed the Registrar and are acting in good faith. I doubt a court would convict you because you are basically waiting on them to issue the proper registration certificate. I wouldn't bring the firearm to the range until you got the proper registration certificate though.
 
For the protection of your rights and personal property please dont test gray areas of our convoluted laws. Jager has it right, the LEO could play it a number of different ways and until it happens its anyones geuss what they decide to do. LEOs are people just like you and me. They have beliefs which may or may not be in your favour. He might be a good 'ol farmboy who enjoys shooting as much as you do or he could have a bad taste for firearms due to what he sees of them in society. Given his profession you can be sure he sees more bad than good. Keep all your ducks in a row and be polite because if your breaking the laws then you're just the guy he's looking for.
 
Caleb314 said:
So what you guys are saying is you can't put a NR length barrel on a rifle registered as restricted because if they stop you and look up a NR rifle that normaly aren't registerded in their database it will say its restricted? Hopefully that made sence.
Click to expand...

Now I will admit I am no law expert, but I believe what I said was that you could as you would technically have a non-restricted firearm. At least accoridng to the definitions in the criminal code. From what I understand you have 30 days to correct the reg cert, but the firearm is what it is at the time. If someone can provide proof other wise, please do.

But, as some have suggested, chances are if you confuse an officer or what have you your firearms will most likely be confiscated until it can be sorted out… by a verifier or at the firearms lab or in a court of law… so yeah…
 
Mirk said:
Now I will admit I am no law expert, but I believe what I said was that you could as you would technically have a non-restricted firearm. At least accoridng to the definitions in the criminal code. From what I understand you have 30 days to correct the reg cert, but the firearm is what it is at the time. If someone can provide proof other wise, please do.

But, as some have suggested, chances are if you confuse an officer or what have you your firearms will most likely be confiscated until it can be sorted out… by a verifier or at the firearms lab or in a court of law… so yeah…
Click to expand...

I agree on the second point but I see where youre coming from with the first. The laws could be read that way but then again the simple fact that its registered as a restricted firearm could trump that in an LEOs opinion which is the only one that matters at that point. My opinion is its best to play it safe when youre talking about this kind of investment. Losing it all would be devastating, getting it back could cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars if they take it that far.
 
To the OP, this is why John at Wolverine won't bring in short barrels, nothing under 18.6 unless of course it is a pistol model. We don't need somebody F'ing up a good thing.

As for locktite jokes, I think it says more about the people who post them than anything else could. We need everybody on side in the very near future.
 
gunkle said:
How many people have seen the muzzle blast or heard the blast from a 14" barrell? Blinding and deafening. It is a flaming dragon! I get the desire for a pdw but I would suggest perhaps a different firearm (though you can remove the tube/stock with the XCR unlike an AR).
Keep that thing unrestricted and plink away.
Click to expand...

You really need to try a short barrelled 7.62x39 if you think 223 out of a 14.5 is noisey/flashy
 
foxbat said:
To this point in time, the shorter barrels used on the 'pistol' versions of the XCR haven't been available separately.
I have gone the expensive route and have had short barrels made up in 7.62X39 and 6.5Grendel.
Each one required a new, short barrel + 'donor' receiver extension and gasblock from a longer XCR barrel.
A longer barrel is mounted for transportation and storage........
Click to expand...
you are required by law to re register the firearm as restricted if you put on a shorter barrel (under 18.5") and untill you have that documentation it is illegal to do anything but store the firearm under current regulations, this topic has ben gone over many times along with the CFC being asked many times with the same answer.
 
TV-PressPass said:
I know what you mean AR180. Frankly I was surprised to see that posted by foxbat when there's "Super Uber Team Gun Nutz" under the name.

But what about when the rifle is registered as restricted and we install a NR barrel? There's no registration for NR to change any-more. Once the long barrels on can it be treated as NR? Technically its still in the database as restricted.

Also if you call the CFC and ask the exact question about installing a shorter barrel they will still tell you that there's 30 days lenience to report permanent changes. Yet most knowledgeable people I talk to say that's not true at all.

The point I'm trying to make is that we don't fully know, and they don't fully know.

When the change of status takes weeks in paper-work-world and seconds in the real world, it makes things a mess.
Click to expand...
what the cfc does say is that during the period you have an unregistered restricted from a barrel swap the firearm is to remain in storage untill proper paperwork is in hand
 
Ar180shooter said:
If you do not call it in and get it reclassified, you will be charged with unauthorized possession of a restricted firearm if you're caught with a shorter barrel mounted. Remember, it becomes a Restricted firearm the second you put a shorter barrel on it, and if you do not have a registration certificate, you are not authorized to possess it at the range or anywhere else. You can't take it to the range with an 18.5" bbl on it, swap the barrel out while at the range, then swap it back when you're done. You may not get caught, but if you do, you risk loosing all your guns and likely facing jail time. Stupid, I know, but it's how the law works.
Click to expand...



This.

We've already covered this in the ACR thread. Why would it be any different with the XCR?
Nothing you do is going to let you legally have a short barrel and still have a non restricted rifle.
Do what I did and call the RCMP firearms lab and ask them directly. You will get the same answer I did which will be that the second you put the short barrel on the rifle it is immediately a restricted firearm and you can not use it until it has been registered as restricted. If you do you are in possession of non registered restricted rifle which if you are caught with will result in criminal charges and possibly confiscation of all your firearms and your PAL or RPAL being revoked.

If you think I'm wrong then prove it and call them and get your proof.
 
Last edited:
It is very wrong to think that the availability of a shorter barrel for the XCR being available would bring the classification into question like one person on here keeps posting. Some people have put shorter custom barrels on and a Restricted FRT already exists for a restricted XCR, and the pistol is a seperate one again.

At Shot this year RA was showing off new short barreled versions coming for sale, there goes that theory again.
 
TV-PressPass said:
Yes. Or I could get a PDW with a folding stock for $650 and save myself on the locktite ;)

8359587977_24aa6dece9_b.jpg
Click to expand...
where do you buy those? Is it even legal to say you have a PDW in canada.......
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom