themarauder
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Hah. Great idea. I'll have to do that next time I call with that sort of question.
AR15 Registered as Receiver Only?
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I don't know about that...technically, if your changing the caliber your supposed to tell them, but just another upper, ie a shorter barrel, that probably wouldn't make a difference, but my point was when changing from a frame/receiver to a complete firearm. Damn, I wish I could find that podcast!
I would suggest any questions like that to call the 1-800 number and ask them. I was just passing on something I heard to save people some potential grief, thats all. I don't agree with this BS at all, I really don't, but from what Burlew said, its a big deal (the frame vs complete gun thing)
you have a a longer than normal wait time on transfers now dont you?
Actually, all kidding aside, I have never had a long transfer time. Usually within a week, even for prohibs. Once in awhile I get a cunned stunt on the other end who starts to give me a hassle for something quite stupid and I just say, "oops the baby is crying, gotta go and i will call back". Call back 2 minutes later and get someone who is reasonable.
I am always surprised to hear of people who have long transfer times.
JD Spanner
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I tried to register an AR same way my non Restricted rifles & shotguns are ( which are 470mm or greater). so i figured minimum pistol length (105mm) or greater. After weeks of back an forth , emails from RCMP tech, they sent me a Varification form as if I was registering a Multi Barrel Shotgun , So I give up.
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andrew3081
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I tried to register an AR same way my non Restricted rifles & shotguns are ( which are 470mm or greater). so i figured minimum pistol length (105mm) or greater. After weeks of back an forth , emails from RCMP tech, they sent me a Varification form as if I was registering a Multi Barrel Shotgun , So I give up.
Spanner
Ar15 does not have minimum barrel length...they are restricted already regardless of the barrel length.
JD Spanner
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Yes I know but I was using the Min barrel length of a pistol as an example.
Spanner
All my lowers are registered 'frame\ receiver only'. That is the part of the firearm they are concerned with.
I have a number of different uppers.
I do not store the lowers with an upper on them.
I do not transport the lower with an upper on them.
I use whatever upper I want when I shoot and then take it off when finished.
I have 30 days to report any changes.
By removing the upper, storing it and transporting it seperate, there are no changes.
Nothing to report or reclassify. Nothing illegal going on.
How many friggin' times do we have to do this topic before people understand this?"
I have a number of different uppers.
I do not store the lowers with an upper on them.
I do not transport the lower with an upper on them.
I use whatever upper I want when I shoot and then take it off when finished.
I have 30 days to report any changes.
By removing the upper, storing it and transporting it seperate, there are no changes.
Nothing to report or reclassify. Nothing illegal going on.
How many friggin' times do we have to do this topic before people understand this?"
juancarlos
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While I appreciate the info, I don't understand the attitude? Excuse me for using this forum for trying to call upon more experienced members to obtain info! Every time I make a post with a question I get this same kind of thing, How many times....?????? BS, even though I do my searches and only ask questions for which I can not find info. This is more than a little discouraging, I always try to share knowledge as I thought it was part of the idea behind this forum, but apparently it has to come with attitude or it's no good.
Whatever...do what the hell you want, carry them around town for all I care, but ignore the law at your own peril is all I was saying. If you want to skirt the law with a technicality, go for it.
Its clear on the conditions that if the frame is changed to discharge ammunition you report that. Using the 30 day thing to get around that, and its at your own peril, thats all. It was the firearms lawyer Ed Burlew who talked about this once in a podcast that I can't find, and getting caught doing what your doing is trouble, for want of a phone call. But whatever, carry on.
Ar180shooter
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The standard conditions on a registration certificate also mandate that you report a change in caliber.
Ar180shooter
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If you've put an upper on it and fired it, it is capable of discharging ammunition, regardless of whether or not the upper is on the lower for transport/storage. Basically, you've just admitted to violating a condition on your registration certificate, which is grounds for revocation...
Yup. A stripped lower is subject to the same storage regulations as a complete fiream. Rendered inoperative by a locking device, and placed in a locked container.
As far as this thirty day thing goes..... Read it carefully. The change must be reported within thirty days. There is no mention that the change must exist for thirty days.
As far as this thirty day thing goes..... Read it carefully. The change must be reported within thirty days. There is no mention that the change must exist for thirty days.
X2, I changed mine from frame only to a full gun last year. All I did was call the CFO and they made that change over the phone. My understanding was that although I could still have the upper not assembled was ok, if I wanted to go to range with it then I needed a new reg cert.
Ar180shooter
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Very good point. The 30 day thing is a grace period... not a loophole.
I overlooked that. Thank you.
As many times as we need to until you get it, it seems. Ed Burlew is on record saying that the 30 day thing is not the loophole gun owners seem to think it is. This can be found in "Chris Anderson Presents: Legal Implications of the Registry Being Gone" from Dec 31 2011. He talks about it from around 37 minutes onwards. He refers specifically to changing a non-restricted to a restricted temporarily and changing it back within the 30 day window, but seeing as the "class change" and "functioning firearm" change fall under the same list of mandated changes to be reported, I don't think you are any less obligated to report the change. You are obviously not in possession of an unregistered restricted, which carries a 3 year sentence. The penalty for having an out-of-date registration certificate in this regard is probably nothing, if anyone does truly care at all.
But according to the conditions on your registration cert, you are obligated to report the change.
Just dealt with this myself, as soon as a bolt or piece is attached to the lower reciever its no longer a reciever only. Theres a 30day grace period to reregister to whatever barrel length it is and everytime you switch to a diferent length upper you have to notify them. Ive been going to the range all summer,fall and decided to look into it to see if I was legal. Honestly I have no idea why they arent just registered as a semi auto ar15 to solve the barrel length and caliber issue so we can just swap uppers anytime.
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