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Title changed to appease your sensitive eyes.This is Canada after all,and everything has to be "PQ".And besides I don't need a whiner sidetracking the thread.
Don't you think that's a bit harsh? geez......
Call me old fashioned, but I reckon killing folks is pretty damned awful, regardless of the victims or method employed.
Returning to point...
Idle No More takes an interesting turn...
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Title changed to appease your sensitive eyes.This is Canada after all,and everything has to be "PQ".And besides I don't need a whiner sidetracking the thread.
His eyes aren't overly sensitive, he's not being a whiner, and it's not about being overly 'PQ'. We don't refer to the Japanese as 'Japs', not because it's PQ, but because it's wrong. Just like we don't use the N-word to refer to African Americans. Might have been fine in 1944; it isn't now and hasn't been for a long time. You used a deragatory term and he called you on it, and he even tried to do it nicely. The whiners aren't ruining the thread, but you comments are.
Keep in mind that the Americans pictured were using a flamethrower because those Japanese soldiers was willing to fight and die for their beliefs instead of surrendering.
From what I read and seen in documentaries, many Americans soldiers that used derogatory words to describe the enemy now have much respect for them as well trained, dedicated fighting men - imho we should do the same.
From what I read and seen in documentaries, many Americans soldiers that used derogatory words to describe the enemy now have much respect for them as well trained, dedicated fighting men - imho we should do the same.
then why are Brits, Yanks, Canucks, and Jerry all acceptable? Japs isnt derogatory, its lazy. there are many terms used that are down right awful in reference to them, and we avoid them. but i dont think that "japs" should be one.
Brainwashed from childhood in the belief that they were superior to all other races, that they were destined to rule the world, in a shame-based culture where it was better to die than to endure disgrace that you were brought up to believe was worse than death. Brought up to believe that suicide was an honourable escape from any insupportable situation, in a culture where everyone is a superior or a subordinate, where obedience was immediate and unquestioning, where physical violence by superiors against subordinates was the norm rather than the exception...
If they had showed the slightest amount of humanity or decency in their behaviour as a formation or as individuals (with a very, very few exceptions) then there would be some justification for respect. A brutal, nay vicious, fanatic does not deserve respect, whether he fights "bravely" or not; fanatics always fight "bravely", it is inherent in the nature of fanaticism.
The measure of whether people deserve "respect" is not only their so-called bravery, but their humanity.
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@RRCo:
Thanks for that insight.
I have tried to explain it, but most people just are not willing to do the background reading required to understand the Jap culture. Toss together Bushido, a completely-authoritarian mind-set, a total lack of empathy toward anything NOT their own, a Divine descent an a mission to rule the world...... and the results will not be pretty.
Our history books have been rewritten by the politically-correct Left wing in order to barbarise the Americans. The Jap people were NOT sitting around serving tea and folding paper cranes for world peace during the 15-year reign of horror which they spawned. Hiroshima was NOT a peaceful city filled with gentle civilians; it was the centre of the Jap optical industry, without which there could be no war effort..... and it was where the Mitsubishi plant was turning out the Zeroes. Nagasaki was not a quaint fishing town but one of the major seaports of the country. It was there that hundreds of ships were going, pulling back Jap troops and supplies and booty for the final defence of the islands. The ships were unloaded by Canadians and Brits, starved from 200 pounds down to 85 pounds, working 12 hours a day on a handful of rice, beaten, starved, whipped, killed whenever a guard felt like it.
Japan was a slave society the equal of any in fiction.... but it was REAL and it was IN OUR TIME.
It HAD to be destroyed.
The Japs were shown FAR more mercy than they ever gave to ANYONE else..... and for that, they see us as "weak".
There is still too much of that old spirit remaining.
Me, I'm thankful that the Bomb was used. I grew up with a father; he was one of the many Canadians selected for the invasion of the Japanese Mainland..... the invasion which the Bomb made unnecessary.
Thanks for that insight.
I have tried to explain it, but most people just are not willing to do the background reading required to understand the Jap culture. Toss together Bushido, a completely-authoritarian mind-set, a total lack of empathy toward anything NOT their own, a Divine descent an a mission to rule the world...... and the results will not be pretty.
Our history books have been rewritten by the politically-correct Left wing in order to barbarise the Americans. The Jap people were NOT sitting around serving tea and folding paper cranes for world peace during the 15-year reign of horror which they spawned. Hiroshima was NOT a peaceful city filled with gentle civilians; it was the centre of the Jap optical industry, without which there could be no war effort..... and it was where the Mitsubishi plant was turning out the Zeroes. Nagasaki was not a quaint fishing town but one of the major seaports of the country. It was there that hundreds of ships were going, pulling back Jap troops and supplies and booty for the final defence of the islands. The ships were unloaded by Canadians and Brits, starved from 200 pounds down to 85 pounds, working 12 hours a day on a handful of rice, beaten, starved, whipped, killed whenever a guard felt like it.
Japan was a slave society the equal of any in fiction.... but it was REAL and it was IN OUR TIME.
It HAD to be destroyed.
The Japs were shown FAR more mercy than they ever gave to ANYONE else..... and for that, they see us as "weak".
There is still too much of that old spirit remaining.
Me, I'm thankful that the Bomb was used. I grew up with a father; he was one of the many Canadians selected for the invasion of the Japanese Mainland..... the invasion which the Bomb made unnecessary.
Interesting discussion regarding the use of certain terms. Having spent a goodly portion of my adult life reading history of the Second World War, I find it difficult to believe that there are many veterans who "respect" the Japanese military. As smellie points out, WWII happened in our time, not centuries ago. My old neighbor ended his WWII career in the Canadian Air Force as a Flight Sergeant, in the Far East. Only on his death bed did he elaborate. It was not pretty. He was one of the most honest, polite, hardworking men I've ever had the privilege to know, and I distinctly recall him using the word that some now consider politically incorrect.
Unit 731 is all I have to say.... That and the Bataan death march. 
not to mention many more innocent causalities by the hands of the Japanese during the time spent in the Pacific theater. "Little boy" and "Fat man" were the only way... ( ok ok maybe not all I had to say haha).
Cheers
Joe
not to mention many more innocent causalities by the hands of the Japanese during the time spent in the Pacific theater. "Little boy" and "Fat man" were the only way... ( ok ok maybe not all I had to say haha).Cheers
Joe
One of the most brutal but realistic war films I've ever seen is "City of Life and Death". It's about the Rape of Nanking - the Japanese siege and occupation of the Chinese capital during the run up to WW2. Well worth watching. Just don't even consider it as a "date movie".
It is my understanding that the Americans did not fly the Corsair off carriers because of prop strikes. Prop was too close to deck.
Cannot tell in this picture, but the engine was HUGE!
IIRC the main reason the USN didn't like flying Corsairs off carriers was a design flaw in the landing gear (early models)- excessive bounce. When performing the controlled crash that is a carrier landing, the bounce in the landing gear would allow the Corsair to bounce over the arresting wires and sometimes over the crash barrier (these are straight deck ships, without the angled landing we see on modern carriers) into parked aircraft. Not good.
The flaw was fixed, however, and the USN and USMC loved the Corsair after that. It was the most successful carrier strike fighter of WWII and saw action in Korea as well.
The Japanese record in WW2 offers nothing to admire. As predicted by Admiral Yamamoto, they ran wild for the first six months of the war and were then on retreat until the end. Other than their initial naval battles, they were outclassed both strategically and tactically and they failed to make any meaningful improvements in equipment as the war progressed while the US made improvements by leaps and bounds and then overwhelmed them with both quantity and quality. The Russians under Marshall Zhukov gave them a severe beating along the Mongolian border in 1939 to the point where the Japanese never contested the issue again and the Russians were able to redeploy large numbers of troops to the west, first against the Poles and then the Germans.
I once served with a fine NCO, who I believe was the last serving veteran of Hong Kong. He had joined the Royal Rifles of Canada as a boy soldier and spent the 31/2 years following his capture doing slave labour in the shipyards and coal mines of Japan being starved and beaten in the process. Understandably, he had nothing good to say about the Japanese. Just last week in Hawaii I happened to meet a man who was interned as a child in the Dutch East Indies and in Japan and saw both parents die in the process. He said the Japanese were somewhat more indulgent with captive children, but this was small comfort to him.
Contemporary Japanese history is quite murky on just what happened in the 1937-1945 period. Looking at the hordes of Japanese tourists in Hawaii I find myself wondering just what they know about it, especially when I saw them, with cameras clicking away, on the USS Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor. Ironically their postwar industrialization and commerce has allowed them full access to everything and more that they once tried to get by initiating a war of aggression. They are not loved, admired, or forgiven by any of the peoples who they subjugated during WW2.
As a footnote, I wonder how many people are aware of the fact that the Japanese had reached a fairly high level of development towards achieving a nuclear capability in WW2. They conducted much of their work in North Korea which was occupied by the Soviets after VJ day. This gave the Russians a considerable leg up in developing their own nuclear capability in 1947.
I once served with a fine NCO, who I believe was the last serving veteran of Hong Kong. He had joined the Royal Rifles of Canada as a boy soldier and spent the 31/2 years following his capture doing slave labour in the shipyards and coal mines of Japan being starved and beaten in the process. Understandably, he had nothing good to say about the Japanese. Just last week in Hawaii I happened to meet a man who was interned as a child in the Dutch East Indies and in Japan and saw both parents die in the process. He said the Japanese were somewhat more indulgent with captive children, but this was small comfort to him.
Contemporary Japanese history is quite murky on just what happened in the 1937-1945 period. Looking at the hordes of Japanese tourists in Hawaii I find myself wondering just what they know about it, especially when I saw them, with cameras clicking away, on the USS Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor. Ironically their postwar industrialization and commerce has allowed them full access to everything and more that they once tried to get by initiating a war of aggression. They are not loved, admired, or forgiven by any of the peoples who they subjugated during WW2.
As a footnote, I wonder how many people are aware of the fact that the Japanese had reached a fairly high level of development towards achieving a nuclear capability in WW2. They conducted much of their work in North Korea which was occupied by the Soviets after VJ day. This gave the Russians a considerable leg up in developing their own nuclear capability in 1947.
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The Japanese unequivocally mistreated PWs, but they were not alone; 800,000+ Germans died in camps at the end of the war under the control of the American and French. Should they as nations not be viewed in the same way?
ANYONE? The Japanese actually did show mercy to the 10,000s of Jewish refugees from eastern Europe that they accepted during 1940 and 1941 that were well treated throughout the war. A part of WWII history we don't often hear about. This at the time when Canada accepted only 5,000 Jews total during all of the 1930s and rejected Canadian Jews sponsoring 10,000 German Jews after Kristallnacht in 1938.
The Canadian war against Germany and Japan during WWII was just. We WERE the good guys, but that doesn't mean that all actions of the Allies were just or that all actions of the enemy were evil.
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Wow can't believe how many Jap and Nazi sympathizers we have here????????pull your heads out of your rectums and think about who you are defending! People who bayoneted children for sport!people who gassed people for religious reasons!think about that before you post something stupid!enough said lets get back to picture of the day!any more pro Jap Nazi sympathy go to the politics thread! Not here!
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