Wolf 223 vs Norinco 223

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you have both listed for 7 a box. Which of these would be "better" in the AR platform? I've bought thousands of the wolf already from you, but haven't tried the norc stuff before.
if at the same price, just wondering is there any comparative advantage of one over another?
 
nza said:
Henry
you have both listed for 7 a box. Which of these would be "better" in the AR platform? I've bought thousands of the wolf already from you, but haven't tried the norc stuff before.
if at the same price, just wondering is there any comparative advantage of one over another?
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The Norinco ammunition I've picked up in .223rem is brass cased. I've never seen wolf ammo, but from what I hear is it is steel cased.

Brass case > steel case in my opinion.
 
If the price is the same, buy brass.

20 empty .223 casings is about 1/4 lbs of brass. At present, that's about $0.33 worth of brass at a metal recycle shop.
 
So I opened my box of norinco .223 and it was naked as 5.56.... Not sure if this is pushing the same velocities or chamber pressures as a federal m193 55grain 5.56, but the fire balls out of my mk18 turned some heads at the range and made a kid cry. Also it was 96 stamped brass and all went bang except for a light primer strike. Also shot the majority of a 20rd group at 50 yards inside 2" with just my aimpoint. Coming out of a 10.3" barrel of say that's more than adequate.

I honestly think you guys should stick with your cheaper wolf steel cased ammo, because this stuff is not worth it at all......��
 
On the topic of copper washed, a warning never use the norinco copper washed 308 in your RFBs I found out the hard way
thank God I am a gun smith the case has a copper wash and a clear laquer. well it welded its self the chamber. Had to use
a special brass rod that I made to knock out the case. use the norinco in your m14 only. Just a heads up. also my nephew
used the steel in his ar same problem with steel laquer cases. They swell up and the heat melts the laquer and you have a
case that is permintly in the chamber. Brass is the way to go
 
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Testing done by LuckyGunner's Labs:

Four identical Bushmaster MOE AR-15 carbines (5.56 chambers), 40,000 rounds of 55 gr. .223 Rem (10,000 each of Federal brass cased/copper jacketed AE223BK, Wolf WPA MC22355FMJ, Tula TA223550 and Brown Bear AB223FMJ steel cased/bi-metal jacketed) were used. Each carbine was paired with one ammo brand and run hot and hard, with very limited maintenance. Periodic testing for accuracy, velocity, pressure and such was performed, with barrels split longitudinally and inspected at the end of the test. Results are interesting, presented with lots of graphical data and photos.

The upshot? Federal was totally reliable (no stoppages, failures or breakages of any kind); the steel cased stuff--not so much, with greatly-reduced barrel life. Over the long haul, steel-cased stuff is still more economical, even factoring in parts replacement, including barrels.
 
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Shamelessly stolen from an American forum I'm on

Testing done by LuckyGunner's Labs:

Four identical Bushmaster MOE AR-15 carbines (5.56 chambers), 40,000 rounds of 55 gr. .223 Rem (10,000 each of Federal brass cased/copper jacketed AE223BK, Wolf WPA MC22355FMJ, Tula TA223550 and Brown Bear AB223FMJ steel cased/bi-metal jacketed) were used. Each carbine was paired with one ammo brand and run hot and hard, with very limited maintenance. Periodic testing for accuracy, velocity, pressure and such was performed, with barrels split longitudinally and inspected at the end of the test. Results are interesting, presented with lots of graphical data and photos.

The upshot? Federal was totally reliable (no stoppages, failures or breakages of any kind); the steel cased stuff--not so much, with greatly-reduced barrel life. Over the long haul, steel-cased stuff is still more economical, even factoring in parts replacement, including barrels.
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forgot the bloody link :HR:
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_campaign=55fe0250f8-1%2F20%2F13-+NewsletterList&utm_medium=email
 
Steel cases are coated with lacquer as a corrosion prevention agent. Some people have experienced " case welding" in their AR platform guns using steel cased ammo. Why? Because a direct gas impingement action puts a massive amount of heat back into the bolt face, which is right behind the chamber at that particular time. That heat sneaks into the chamber, all around the empty steel case and melts off the lacquer coating.

In some cases where the mag was not shot dry and a round was chambered on top of the melted lacquer, the lacquer coating the chamber adheres to the lacquer on the unfired round now in the chamber and when it cools off (within a few minutes) you have an unfired round "welded" into your chamber".

Even if you fire off all the round in your mag, you're still coating your chamber with lots and lots of lacquer. Make sure to clean it well every few hundred rounds, so you don't get a massive build up of lacquer in the chamber which could lead to a catastrophic pressure spike or other undersized chamber related problems.

If I can help it, I will never shoot lacquer coated ammo in a DGI gun.
 
The copper-washed Norinco .308 does not have lacquer on it.

Lacquer is applied to bare steel cases, like Czech BXN 7.62x39, to prevent rust. The copper wash is applied to do the same job. Putting both on the same casing is overkill and not the Commie way.
 
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