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- West Québec,
.17 Super Magnum
- Thread starter drache
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- West Québec,
yeah i hope so too .... i migth have to start the groudhog season with the winchester wildcat again!!!!
Thanks,
I got mine ordered yesterday. Should be here May-June. Always like a new toy in the cabinet. I'll see if I can build a Tr style stock for it when it arrives.
I see a bright side to the new B-Mag Savage. Locking Lugs!
Should make it a candidate for all sorts of fun conversions besides rimfire ones. Pretty much along the same lines as the way the Remington 5mm rifles became conversion bait. Some work to get it all sorted out, but it's an option.
Those mags are about 9 kinds of cheap looking!
Cheers
Trev
Should make it a candidate for all sorts of fun conversions besides rimfire ones. Pretty much along the same lines as the way the Remington 5mm rifles became conversion bait. Some work to get it all sorted out, but it's an option.
Those mags are about 9 kinds of cheap looking!
Cheers
Trev
Whys that? .22 magnum as it stands now with twice the projectile of the .17 supermag is only 75 ft-lbs less energy.
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- West Québec,
1900 with 40 gran 2250ish with 30 grain. at the muzzle put the supermag behing 40/30 grain .22 projectile I bet it would be relatively close to the .17 sm velocity with mor hitting power than the .17
I don't under stand what you getting at here, but the whole idea of a rimfire going 3000 fps with a 20 bullet and 2500 and change with a 25gr bullet is significant. A whole less wind drift and more than sufficient hitting power. We are shooting these rifles at varmints not whitetail deer. FS
Those speeds were the .22 mugnum, and the numbers are pretty much the same with any ammunition manufacturer.
40 grain .22 mag=1900fps with 324 ft-lbs
30 grain .22 mag=2200fps with 322 ft-lbs
20 grain .17wsm=3000fps with 399 ft-lbs
25 grain .17wsm=2500fps with 375 ft-lbs
I'm just not all that impressed, the build up to the release led everyone to believe it was going to be an unbelievable new cartridge. I think they could of done better filling the void for rimfire only areas with a .22-.25 super magnum.
40 grain .22 mag=1900fps with 324 ft-lbs
30 grain .22 mag=2200fps with 322 ft-lbs
20 grain .17wsm=3000fps with 399 ft-lbs
25 grain .17wsm=2500fps with 375 ft-lbs
I'm just not all that impressed, the build up to the release led everyone to believe it was going to be an unbelievable new cartridge. I think they could of done better filling the void for rimfire only areas with a .22-.25 super magnum.
Its the gain of 600 fps over the 17 hmr
For starters, with a 100-yard zero, you get a much flatter trajectory. Drop at 200 yards with a 20-grain bullet is just 4.1 inches, compared to 10.7 inches with the same bullet out of the .17 HMR. Perhaps more important is the .17’s ability to resist the wind, which has always been one of the weaker qualities of the HMR. In a 10 mph crosswind, the .17 Win. Super Mag. will move 7.3 inches at 200 yards, while the .17 HMR drifts 16.6 inches.
The case is based off a .27--caliber nail-gun blank, which was modified and necked down to take the .17-caliber bullet. (These blanks, which come in three calibers—.22, .25, and .27—are a big business for Winchester, according to Greg Kosteck, the company’s marketing director.) Empty, the case measures 1.200 inches (vs. 1.064 inches for the .17 HMR). And its case walls are about 50 percent thicker than the .17 HMR’s, to handle the higher pressures the round generates (33,000 psi vs. 26,000 psi for the .17 HMR)
It is an unbelievable new cartridge..
For starters, with a 100-yard zero, you get a much flatter trajectory. Drop at 200 yards with a 20-grain bullet is just 4.1 inches, compared to 10.7 inches with the same bullet out of the .17 HMR. Perhaps more important is the .17’s ability to resist the wind, which has always been one of the weaker qualities of the HMR. In a 10 mph crosswind, the .17 Win. Super Mag. will move 7.3 inches at 200 yards, while the .17 HMR drifts 16.6 inches.
The case is based off a .27--caliber nail-gun blank, which was modified and necked down to take the .17-caliber bullet. (These blanks, which come in three calibers—.22, .25, and .27—are a big business for Winchester, according to Greg Kosteck, the company’s marketing director.) Empty, the case measures 1.200 inches (vs. 1.064 inches for the .17 HMR). And its case walls are about 50 percent thicker than the .17 HMR’s, to handle the higher pressures the round generates (33,000 psi vs. 26,000 psi for the .17 HMR)
It is an unbelievable new cartridge..
How many folks do you know shoot 25 cal anything at varmints. I know of pile of varmint guys and seldom if ever do they shoot bigger than 243. So lets take this same case and put what weight of 25 cal bullet in it, 60gr what have you accomplished a 22 mag with a larger bullet going about the same speed as a 30gr 22 mag. I see no attraction for this. In most cases the term magnum refers to a faster moving projectile. FS
Maybe some would be more impressed with a .32 rim fire, the 44 Henry, or the 56 Spencer.
As for me a small, light recoiling, flat shooting, round that does better in the wind is a win on all counts. Doubt I will see one this year but definitely a long term hope.
As for me a small, light recoiling, flat shooting, round that does better in the wind is a win on all counts. Doubt I will see one this year but definitely a long term hope.
This new round will be a success for sure. If there is one thing that sells, it is more power!! It develops 625 more fps than HMR shooting 20 grain bullets (make sure you compare apples to apples here and don't compare with the HMR 17 gr bullet) This is a HUGE velocity increase especially in these small cases.As for cost, it will be roughly the same as .223 reloads. P&D announced that the winchester stuff will be 19 bucks a box, and my guess is when the hornady stuff comes out you will be able to find it for 17 a box. Midway has it listed for 15 a box, so figure 2 or 3 more bucks up here. So about 35 cents a round, OK, thats 5 cents a round more than your 223 reloads. For the guy who doesn't relaod its half the price of decent factory223 that will shoot as accurately.
I love reloading, but often I don't have the time for it. If you are retired that is another story and I envy you. At these times I can see myself grabbing a box of this 17 wsm when I don't have any 223 loaded up and want to get out for a quick plinking outing, adn want something more exiting than 22 lr. I was planning on getting an HMR but why would I now when I can get 625 fps for an extra 3 bucks a box?
The fact is most of the average gun owners out there don't reload (and most of them aren't on this forum) and most of them would only shoot what, maybee 500 rounds a year? Likely more like 100 or 200. So for an extra 10- 30 bucks a year over the HMR they get the latest greatest super 17 rimfire zapper. And they can buy that savage for $375 and it will likely be the most accurate rifle they have ever owned (partly because they can shoot it well with no recoil)
I find this new round to be the biggest news ever for rimfire, when has a completely new, bigger rimfire case ever come out since the .22 mag? HMR and HM2 were just necked down existing cases. They have something completly original here and it will sell like hot cakes, probably replacing a large percentage of HMR sales
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Sounds appealing..
Target shooting: More accurate, longer range
Varmint Shooting: Increased impact, longer range
Tacticool potential: If this is the start of a reliable and cost-effective semi range and hit the tacticool crowd, it would definitely be a huge bonus. Tapered rounds look alot cooler than the straight 22LR's
Target shooting: More accurate, longer range
Varmint Shooting: Increased impact, longer range
Tacticool potential: If this is the start of a reliable and cost-effective semi range and hit the tacticool crowd, it would definitely be a huge bonus. Tapered rounds look alot cooler than the straight 22LR's
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I agree that it would be nice in a .22 Super magnum.
you can't compare the .17 super magnum to the regular .22 magnum. we have to suppose that the .22 super magnum would have increases similar or even better than the change from .17 hmr to .17 super magnum.
maybe a 40gr at 3000fps. that would be nice I think. Plus I bet it would shoot well in semi auto actions. think hotter rimfire .22 hornet kinda thing.
This would be cool in an AR style rifle, or a cool modern pistol, or even in some historical stuff. I nice SAA Colt style revolver, or a lever action in one of these would be really sweet.
you can't compare the .17 super magnum to the regular .22 magnum. we have to suppose that the .22 super magnum would have increases similar or even better than the change from .17 hmr to .17 super magnum.
maybe a 40gr at 3000fps. that would be nice I think. Plus I bet it would shoot well in semi auto actions. think hotter rimfire .22 hornet kinda thing.
This would be cool in an AR style rifle, or a cool modern pistol, or even in some historical stuff. I nice SAA Colt style revolver, or a lever action in one of these would be really sweet.
hometownhero
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That would be more exciting.
