FTR question for curiosity sake

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In FTR you're allowed to use either 308 or 223. In a competition are you allowed to register or use two rifle say one for backup as long at they meet the competitions rules? On the same note are you allowed to use one in a short range situation < 500m and then switch to another rifle mid-competition > than 500m? In this example from 223 to 308 respectively? Have a spare rifle near by like a golf bag so to say change clubs as you need it.

Flame away but I've read specific rules about the rifle but I didn't come across the use during competition? Just curious:rolleyes:....:p
 
Nothing stopping you from doing it if you're willing to spend the money on building multiple rigs. The idea of using a 223 for the shorts and 308 for 7,8,9 has been floated on here by more than one accomplished FTR shooter.
 
No rule against switching rifles between ranges. Even some TR shooters used to switch rifles between the short and long ranges. Back in the days of issued ammo for competitions the 5.56 IVI ammo was more accurate than 7.62 IVI.(until the DND fixed that problem and made the 5.56 just as bad as the 7.62). The 62 gr bullet in 5.56 was not the greatest at 800-1000 yards. So shooters would use 5.56 out to 600 yards and change to their 7.62 for 800-1000 yards.
 
223 for shorts and 308 heavies for long is becoming more and more popular.

A few US shootets I chatted with at Raton were doing this or gearing up to do this.

Just confirm with the match rules on when you can swap but swap you can.

Jerry
 
From my perspective, I have done very well out to 600m with the 223.

got my A$$ handed to me out to 1000yds by 308's.

This season, I will be driving some heavies so we will see if I can peddle fast enough to keep up at 1000yds.

No real magic to this

Jerry
 
For me the 223 owns the .308 to 700 maybe 800 in FTR I have given thought to building a .308 for 800 & 900 but I back-off when I think of recoil shooting 185gr bullets at close to 2800 fps some driving it over 2800. 223 3 lbs recoil/308 14 lbs recoil big difference. And here is where I see the difference in the two is controlling and managing recoil so every shot the same,
Every-time you fire the .308 you have re-alien your rifle, that does not happen with 223., some fellows load there bi-pods and to load it the exact same every time ? in F class shooting I have done over a few years I have noticed .308 in general have more elevation issues than the 223. maybe harder to control shoulder pressure with .308 ?? There is no question when you hold harder and softer you will have elevation issues.
Friend just built a new 308 Barnard/Kreiger 1/11//Dolphin/NF I am sure for 800 & 900 m I asked him if he was giving-up on his 223 he said never its shoots better than I CAN HE SAID.
And he did shoot some very impressive scores with his Robertson built 1/7 223, defiance,Robertson stock
Last spring at Kingston shoot at 300 y he shot a 75 with 14 v-bulls and at 600, 75 with 13 v bulls in two days shooting 489 of a possible 500 and on 1/2 moa bull not the TR targets.
No .308 s where not even remotely close. not even the 6 mmbr shooting in open class.
It will be interesting to see how his new .308 does at 800 & 900 but I see in the future there will be guys building 223 for shorts, and for there children & wife's to get into shooting.
I will just hang-in using it at the longs.
If ever the was to be a very calm day at Conn-aught think those 308 win would have all they can handle to stay ahead of the 223 with the 90 gr but in the big winds like at last years Nationals the .308 could very be tough to beat especially with the great young shooters joining-in to FTR .

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Manitou well said. The 223 is a great cartridge and I'll be shooting it for years to come in competition but when the wind get heavier starts moving at longer distances switching up the tool MAYBE a competitive advantage.
 
There is a fear that the 223 is hard to tune. Not true. We have gone through a huge learning curve over the last 3 to 4 yrs. Lots went wrong, lots got figured out.

consider that the 308W has been tweaked since the 1950's, the need to develop in a few years seems like childs play.

The receipes for the 223 seem to be robust now with many shooters reporting similar loads in similar barrel specs. Accuracy has certainly been there due in part to how much easier the smaller bang is to shoot.

As the costs for lead continue to rise, smaller, better, less money, and easier on the shoulder will sit well with more and more shooters.

big one is needing a good quality scale that can keep your load to the 0.1gr. That is imperative. BUT all precision loads can benefit from this level of better scale.

I think we will see more optimisation suited to the distances shot.

Jerry
 
I like you Manitou )))) but dam I don't agree with the use of a 223 pass 500yds. Last year numbers are there to proove it. If there is "no condition", of course any accurate rifle will do well. Like I did in Borden. First day, 4-5 relays, lost only 2 points all day long !!! Don't remember the "V", but there was a couplessssss out of a Berger 200 at 2550fps. I also remember when wind picted up at the Eastern and the national, 223 where all over the place....when the where )))) We got blind by the BC, energy that bring the heavies in the late 800-900 are keeping them in the spot.

I was shooting a Kriger 1:11, HV #17 and this barrel shot 5 shots group under 0.1moa in load dev. a 308win can be really accurate. with my new setup, I just put a 5 shot group in the low 1. Not even started to develop my OCW yet.

I believe that when you try to "resist" to recoil it can hurt you on developing a flinch but when you just let it come, no problem....

this is my HUMBLE opinion
 
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