Milsurp for hunting purposes?

The truth is just about any gun will do, it doesn't really matter, it's what you have in your hands at the time that counts.

Developing hunting skills, learning where to go and equipping yourself with the bare minimum of equipment to get started, well that is a whole 'nother ball of wax.
 
A real milsrp should not be drilled and tapped for a scope. Some will have a no drilling type base available (#4 lee Enfield, for example) but the scope sits very high.

For most hunting in bush, iron sights work well. In fact, the peep sight as on a #4 or a Garand is just about perfect, as is.

The rifles in my collection that I would consider good hunting rifles (to 100 yards) would be the FR7 or 8, the #5 Enfield or the M44 Mosan Nagant.

I would limit them to 100 yards because of my eyes and iron sights. Only once in my life have I shot a deer or moose at a longer range (125 yards). Most were in the 25 to 50 yard range where a milsurp would do well.

You could compromise and buy a #4 sporter, and have a perfect rifle.
 
I use my SKS for everything from jackrabbits to moose
It works great
I never clean it and I store it outside chained to my shade tree
Try doing that with a brokeback yuppy Remington or Tikka rifle
 
I used an old M10 mkIII Ross rifle this year and took three deer. Milsurp rifles are great hunting rifles. If you buy one with a good barrel. Like allot of these guys said practice with your rifle once you get it. And yes there are still lee enfield and Ross rifles and other miksurps for under $150 I know that because I only paid $100 for my Ross and $50 for my lee enfield. Good luck hunting
 
Milsurp's are going to be heavier but they will generally function well in most any situation.
Like someone else had said " shoot it lots" Put 40 or 50 rds through it a few times in the month or two before you are going to use it. Generally LE's shoot pretty good. I've heard that crap about shot out bbl's , keyholing and 2 groove rifling. Mostly that rifle will shoot better than you are capable of.
There are exceptions of course. Was over to Smellie's to see his toys yesterday and he gave me the lowdown on ' That damned crack' that LE's can get.
I think most of the slagging on milsurps is either justification for poor shooting or an excuse to buy a new gun.
 
There are a lot of people who haven't got the ready cash to dump into a Kenny Jarrett beanfield rifle or whatever; they have wives, kids and so forth which come first. But they WANT to get into Milsurp collecting 'on the cheap' for the next few years.... and they want to do it without letting their kids go without.

The OP started a previous thread on exactly this topic, down in OT a couple days ago. He got SOME decent advice there, then he came up here (as recommended).... only to be told that it can't be done. Exactly what kind of rifle do some of you guys think shot all the deer meat that you grew up eating?

I can guarantee that the rifle, if it was a bolt gun, started off as SOME kind of military job. Look at the Rosses out there: nearly ALL are ex-military. Lee-Enfields: ALL military and that includes my 1897/1920 'sporter' with Union markings, it includes my A.G. Parker s/n 0019 with the custom barrel and gold front sight (started off as a LM II). My BSA Custom Shop 1959 sporter started off as a M-1917 and still has the 1917 barrel on it! I have a Remington Model 30 Express rifle here: VERY slightly modified M-1917, as was the famous and elusive and collectible Winchester 54.

CURRENT bolt rifles all are military types which have been dumbed-down for cheaper production. The barrels are a BIT better but not really a great deal; 2 MOA is all you really need for hunting unless you are doing it around HERE, which is where you CAN get 500-yard default shots. MOST old military rifles were actually shot very little and, when they were released, about 9 out of 10 had just been inspected. If they don't shoot well TODAY, it is usually down to lack of maintenance and the effects of Time on the woodwork. Bedding compound takes care of the wood, a cleaning kit takes care of the bore and you can tweak about 90% of them back into being honest 2-MOA rifles.... or less. For hunting in bush, you need something with 2 MOA and a heavy bullet that will plough bush....... and that is something available for any Milspec rifle.

A rifle does not need a plastic stock or nineteen Picatinny Rails, a Starlight scope, a variable 2-to-40-power with illuminated reticles, flashlights, laser rangefinders and a GPS. It needs a breech mechanism, a decent barrel, a set of sights and stock. Military rifles of the pre-1950 period HAD all of that.... and they were tougher than the last bull steak I tried to cook. Get the thing good and cold and the wood stock won't break like plastic, the iron sights won't fog like a scope and it will STILL bag your dinner at 200 yards with one round.

I STILL recommend a Lee-Enfield of some sort for starting-off at minimal cash outlay. They are as SIMPLE as it is possible to make a rifle, there is very nearly nothing to go wrong, parts are available, the single weak spot in the wood an be fixed for a dime, you can load you own ammo or 10 to 60 cents a shot (depending on what you want) and, once you clean 50 years of crud out of the barrel, it is amazing how well many of them will shoot. No-drill scope mounts are available for all of them that were built after 1907, prices starting about $35 for a Gairlochian mount for a Number 4/5 or $50 for an ATI mount for the SMLE and they are SOLID..... and the entire mount may be moved from one rifle to another AND it costs less than the drill-and-tap job and it is just as solid. What's not to like?

Let's think for a moment about dangerous game. The late (and greatly respected) Simu Hayha stalked the most dangerous "game" in the world..... and he did it better than any other man who lived to tell of it. He did it with a full-wood Moisin-Nagant bolt rifle which likely was older than he was, rebuilt and rebuilt again and again. His comrades in Finland are STILL using those ancient rifles (rebuilt yet again and again a few more times) for their PRECISION shooting..... and their winters are JUST as abominable as ours.

Hope this helps.
 
Milsurp's are going to be heavier but they will generally function well in most any situation.
Like someone else had said " shoot it lots" Put 40 or 50 rds through it a few times in the month or two before you are going to use it. Generally LE's shoot pretty good. I've heard that crap about shot out bbl's , keyholing and 2 groove rifling. Mostly that rifle will shoot better than you are capable of.
There are exceptions of course. Was over to Smellie's to see his toys yesterday and he gave me the lowdown on ' That damned crack' that LE's can get.
I think most of the slagging on milsurps is either justification for poor shooting or an excuse to buy a new gun.

I agree with the "justification for bad shooting or an excuse to buy a new gun"!! I personally have tested all of my milsurps @ 75 yards off of a rest. With factory ammo they all have grouped 2" or better on a good day with iron sights. To me that's good enough to hit a deer in the kill zone.
Practice makes perfect that's for sure. My Mauser groups decent but it shoots 8" high at 75 yards! I simply adjust my point of aim while target shooting, that being said I don't think I'd bring that one hunting with me any time soon!
 
I think more deer have been taken in this country with a good ol' Lee Enfield than any other rifle - PERIOD.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with using an Enfield in BC. Hell, I took my first 2 deer with a sportered No 4 in the East Kootenays back in the 80's (it's still in Dad's gun cabinet).

All the OP has to do is practice with the ammo he's going to shoot with and he'll do just fine - IF he controls the buck fever he's gonna have when he sees his first one!!!! :p

Milsurps are relatively cheap, decently accurate, and durable - you won't care if the stock gets a ding or two in the bush.

For a minimal investment the OP will have a rifle that'll take deer, elk, moose down with one shot.
 
Smellie, this crack you are talking about, is it the one in the forend just behind the trigger? I have seen Australian solutions to the problem and it involved putting what amounted to a rugged cross bolt assembly where the fine brass through - screw was. When my life is no longer on hold, I am going to bed the forend of my 1918 SMLE bubba.

I being Kerr - fisted prefer the #1 MKIII* over the #4 / #5 - I find the peep sight bites into my left hand when I reach over to work the bolt.

The SMLE never gives me such trouble.
 
No4 for me .
It's been my #1 go-to for over 40yr.
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This coming season I'll be headed out for deer and bear with a No4 that is getting restored to its old self. I've taken it out with irons sites and it is plenty accurate for my needs, although I'm putting a no-drill mount on it for the season. It kicks hard as a baby punch IMO :).
 
Couldn't agree more on a sporter Enfield. My first was one and it's taken lots of big game. Hunt grade ammo is available anywhere. I like the ati mounts and don't find they sit high at all. Most important part, as others have said, is know the gun before you go. Use the same ammo and know how it shoots. Vitals on big game are much bigger than the 1-2 inches groups that most strive for. My 303 is cobbled together from mismatched pieces and has a shortened barrel yet still shoots twoonie sized groups at 100m with factory ammo. Yes it's heavier than a 3000 dollar gun but I don't climb mountains with it and carry so much other crap an extra pound won't make a difference. Aim right and shoot well and you won't have a problem
 
The P-14/Model 1917 likes 5-7 lbs pressure at the forend tip. That said I've also seen them shoot well with a floating barrel. If the rifle doesn't shoot well with stock pressure at the forend you can also try a floating barrel by shimming the action in front of the recoil lug. When checking the forend bedding make sure that there is no contact between the top of the barrel and the inner surface of the upper band.
 
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