Another Remington 870 issue

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This time it's an 870 Wingmaster. not an express.

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So we were at the range shooting some clays. I brought the fairly unused wingmaster out assuming flawlessness. Boy was I disappointed. Extractor issues constantly. Which led me to inspect the bolt group a little better. The chrome on the bolt face is peeling off. this shotgun has not received much use at all. i wouldn't even put the round count over 100. I don't recall having that many issues with it until now.

The extractor was definitely the problem. its gritty and sticks when i play with it.

I picked it up in late 2011 from cabellas in edmonton (this is 2 out of the 3 firearms now from them which were duds. to this day i advocate not shopping there) This is the first remington I owned personally. I did buy a model 700 last year from Sail in Ottawa which after a few days the finish started to peel off. I returned it immediately and a few months later Sail sent me a brand new one. I'm happy with Sail's customer service. The people there were nice about it and I didnt have to fight with them like I did with Cabellas over the S&W 629.

So the questions I have:
Should I worry about the chrome coming off?
Should I polish the extractor myself a bit to smooth it out?
Is this fixable by warranty and who is the rep I should talk to here in Canada?
 
Call to see if warranty will cover it. If it does get the bolt assembly replaced. If not clean and free the extractor and enjoy the gun. The chrome is nothing but cosmetic as it is shown. take care
Also what type of shells were you using the walmart winchesters???
 
http://www.remington.com/en/pages/our-company/our-company/company-info.aspx

TEL: 1-866-662-4869

This is contact info for Remington. Under other contacts you will find "Canadian Customers". Call that number and explain the problem, see what they say. I was very happy with Remington service. I sent barrel to them that needed chamber honing and they returned it same week.

If not under warranty, I would look for a new extractor.
 
picsivore said:
There is definitely a problem from the factory. Too bad the shotgun is out of warranty. I'd contact Remington to see what they can do for you.
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Sad but true, a factory flaw for sure. I would call Gravel Agency in Quebec and see what they can do for you.
Is that an MIM or forged extractor? My Marine Magnum has the MIM unit which has been flawless. I bought a spare forged extractor "just in case". So far, no need.
 
I'd try contacting Bill at Saskatoon Gunworks. He's an authorised repair center for Remington for Canada. There's also Wortner Gun Shop in Chatham who is an authorized Remington repair depot.
 
3macs1 said:
Call to see if warranty will cover it. If it does get the bolt assembly replaced. If not clean and free the extractor and enjoy the gun. The chrome is nothing but cosmetic as it is shown. take care
Also what type of shells were you using the walmart winchesters???
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not walmart, wholesale sports. but i have used a few winchester slugs and what not.

http://www.remington.com/en/pages/ou...pany-info.aspx

TEL: 1-866-662-4869

This is contact info for Remington. Under other contacts you will find "Canadian Customers". Call that number and explain the problem, see what they say. I was very happy with Remington service. I sent barrel to them that needed chamber honing and they returned it same week.

If not under warranty, I would look for a new extractor.
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Ill give them a shout and hope for the best. Ill also try Bill at Saskatoon Gunworks. many thanks.

its a shame the chrome is peeling. its still a nice shotgun otherwise.
why remington why?
 
Remove the extractor and spring, flush the junk out of the hole, and fit a new extractor and spring, and have the old extractor as a spare I would not go to the bother of changing the bolt just because some chrome fell off, it's only cosmetic anyway.
"Fairly used"?
How old is it?
 
mbonner said:
Remove the extractor and spring, flush the junk out of the hole, and fit a new extractor and spring, and have the old extractor as a spare I would not go to the bother of changing the bolt just because some chrome fell off, it's only cosmetic anyway.
"Fairly used"?
How old is it?
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Your questions are already answered in the first post.

The cosmetic problem is relevent because its just over a year old. The quality of remington firearms is very poor from my experience with them so far.
 
Bile said:
Your questions are already answered in the first post.

The cosmetic problem is relevent because its just over a year old. The quality of remington firearms is very poor from my experience with them so far.
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That goes without saying...

I've put hundreds of rounds through my 870 Express including over 200 Slugs, and 600+ Target loads.

I've had a piece on my bolt chip off just above the extractor arm.. Didn't affect anything, Contacted Gravel and they sent me a new bolt assembly.
Then I had another issue with the bar thing that holds the barrel from spinning, it broke and the barrel could spin. I had to send the whole Shotgun to Gravel, and I got it back in 3-4 months free of charge fixed and reblued.

The barrel bar thing was my fault, I realized what I did after the fact.. But, Over all... They are solid Firearms.

The bolt is a cast piece, and You had a piece break off. That's pure manufacturing defect. So, If I was you, I'd call up Gravel, and explain your situation. I'm sure they will send you a new bolt.
 
easy said:
Did Gravel tell you this?
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I didn't have too. I told them a piece chipped off the bolt, and told them that it "doesn't necessarily affect it's operation but the extractor wiggles up and down and it shouldn't. That piece shouldn't have broken off and I want a new bolt".

I also sent them pictures and they sent me a new bolt.
 
3macs1 said:
He is talking an express bolt easy totally different animal than a wingmaster and yes an express is cast..
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You think so...?

You think Remington would redesign the bolt assembly just for the 870 Express?

There is nothing wrong with cast parts.. But sometimes, you do get a manufacturing flaw that can be overseen.
 
Soulfly said:
You think so...?

You think Remington would redesign the bolt assembly just for the 870 Express?

There is nothing wrong with cast parts.. But sometimes, you do get a manufacturing flaw that can be overseen.
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NO I know they did. Go buy a wingmaster and take it apart piece by piece next to your express and you will see it is a totally different gun as far as fit, finish and grades of materials used.
Even if they did use the same material which they didnot show me one express bolt that has been hard chrome plated to reduce wear and improve operation.
No different than GM made different models of the same body type and used different materials. You should hang with guys that know their 870's.
 
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bearkilr said:
The bolt is parkerized on the Express and chromed on the Wingmaster. Neither are cast.
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That is the finish not the material. Take a good look at an express bolt with no finish or a cut cross section and you may change your mind. More porosity in an express bolt than I like to see at least in the ones I have seen.
They even use cast in the ejectors and extractors for god sake.
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Wingmasters & Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal
cast which are utilized on the Express models.
I had about 10 extra 12ga bolts here both express, sps and wingmaster and sold some just lately to a member
The express bolts I had were cast for sure. Never kept any express pics unfortunately just some greased up wingmaster ones I sold
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The Express receivers and bolts aren't polished/deburred like the Police and Wingmaster add to that the parkerized finish and it may look like cast, but to the best of my knowledge and anything I can find online they are not cast.
I'm aware of the fact the extractor is MIM on the Express.
Regardless, the fit and finish on all 870's isn't what it once was, that's why my newest one is about 20 years old(Marine). I have a Special Field, Wingmaster and Sportsman(old entry level) which are all superior to the new WM and Police I've owned and handled.
 
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bearkilr said:
The Express receivers and bolts aren't polished/deburred like the Police and Wingmaster add to that the parkerized finish and it may look like cast, but to the best of my knowledge and anything I can find online they are not cast.
I'm aware of the fact the extractor is MIM on the Express.
Regardless, the fit and finish on all 870's isn't what it once was, that's why my newest one is about 20 years old(Marine). I have a Special Field, Wingmaster and Sportsman(old entry level) which are all superior to the new WM and Police I've owned and handled.
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Agree on the Regardless . :) On line doesn't say one way or the other. The shop manual says the locking block is cast on pg 85 but no indication on the bolt material. They probally don't want owners to know all the areas they altered on the express version.
Any how I know what I have seen and handled / repaired quite a few in 40 years. In fact still own more than I am willing to tell the mrs.;)
In the end I Love all 870's just I find the express butt ugly but it goes bang most of the time for 1/2 the price of a wingmaster.
Take care :)
 
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3macs1 said:
NO I know they did. Go buy a wingmaster and take it apart piece by piece next to your express and you will see it is a totally different gun as far as fit, finish and grades of materials used.
Even if they did use the same material which they didnot show me one express bolt that has been hard chrome plated to reduce wear and improve operation.
No different than GM made different models of the same body type and used different materials. You should hang with guys that know their 870's.
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So, you're telling me you 'know they did'. Then you go on to say: "Even if they did use the same material which they didnot show me one express bolt that has been hard chrome plated to reduce wear and improve operation".

What is it. You Know, Or you Don't....?

Obviously the express isn't chrome plated. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Maybe you missed my point, So let me go over it one more time. (Don't read into this here... I'm not female, and I'm not playing head games. I'm having a conversation.)

I highly doubt Remington redesigned the Bolt assembly for the 870 Express. [The Bolt, and parts that come out with it when removed.]
If they DID redesign it, They would have mentioned it in the description of the product as a sales pitch and it would probably would have been sold under a different model name.

What they probably did for the Express is just that. Express/Expedited the manufacturing process, and skipped the plating and internal polishing to make what we know as the 'Wingmaster' resulting in a rough around the edges kind of shotgun that more people were willing to pay the $ for.

So, What I'm saying is.. They took a proven design, and just didn't put as much work/polishing into it, and it still functions identical to the Wingmaster but just not as smoothly.

BTW, I'd love to go out and buy a Wingmaster but I don't have the cash for it. :p My Express does Juuuust fine.

As I said before, There is nothing wrong with Cast parts.. My Express bolt looks IDENTICAL to the ones you posted.
 
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