Same with my club. One of my buddies actually joined because he was really enjoying the club and was disappointed when I told him he had to wait until next year to come back as a guest.
Ont. range without probation?
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Same with my club. One of my buddies actually joined because he was really enjoying the club and was disappointed when I told him he had to wait until next year to come back as a guest.
Am I reading this right? You need to be able to put 10 shots out of 10 in a 1 inch ring from 20 metres away? If that's the case you must have a crapload of great shooters or no one is allowed to shoot centre fire. Or have I misunderstood?
This is my issue with the 3 time rule ... For one the club in question has a 10 year waiting list to get in and a 5500 dollar start up cost... I'm okay with the rule if membership is easy to come by but this club it is not. Why not just charge 15 dollars a visit after 3 ... Then 20 after 10 then by the tenth visit they have paid almost the cost of a spouse membership?
To say it deters paying members couldn't be any more farse. Its not like they are pay as you go members or if they can get an att they are there under my supervison and as per the rules we can only really take 1 bench or lane and they most definitly don't have a key to the place..
Again ill state that I love the club and the guys there but some of this stuff just drives me crazy
Rod B
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I am also a member of SGC & I believe part of the problem is that we are located within the GTA. Many ranges in this area have closed for various reasons & this has resulted in an added strain on existing facilities.
I do not feel our guest policy is a "farce" as you put it. Many people have paid a lot of $$$ to become members & these are the people that are the clubs main priority. Guests are welcome but three visits a year at $10.00 per visit is a very reasonable fee.If these restrictions were not in place there are many that would remain guests & simply pay the token fee, be it $10.00 or $25.00 with no intention of ever joining our club.
Advise your guests to get their names on the list of those wanting to purchase shares. I was talking with one of our directors today & there may be another issue of shares made available later this year. At this time this is only a maybe but as they say, if you you are not on the list you may miss an opportunity.
Or lots of bad shooters, the 1 ring is the largest one (outmost ring), basically they want you to be able to hit paper at 20 yards.
Again saying that there would be no benefit to becoming a member is false.. A guest is just that. He can only shoot under my supervision. They cannot get an ATT, he does not get a key or a vote.. So basically the 3 time rule is a solution to a non existing problem. I can't see a single negative to getting rid of the rule..
Remember if that person is my wife or kid it only costs them 100(ish) a year and they can shoot alone.. So if someone guests more than 10 times (without changing the rate) they have the paid the same as a secondary member without the club having to do anything with the people besides take thier money and smile.
As for additional shares I've spoke to some of the BOD and they have told me that the only way of creating new shares would be splitting the existing ones.. And I would bet 80% or more of the members will not sell the second share if that happens..
All in all if the only complaint you have about a range is some moderate ATT difficulties and the guest policy your doing alright
ambishooter
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Agree with this one. We tried to go via backdoor. A club accepts guests, but not open to new members. The application was sent to the club and eventually declined. A club membership is definitely required. Unless the application is handled by an open-minded staff (to which I was told happens once in a while), you might be able to get a STATT with multiple days specified.
Shhhhhhhh...jebus brother, don't you know peckerheads from the northshore can read these posts...THERE"S NOTHING TO SEE HERE! MOVE ALONG, MOVE ALONG PLEASE!
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[/QUOTE] There's nothing stopping you from applying for short term ATTs or a long term ATT through the CFO yourself.
I hate to see clubs impose further restrictions on shooters than they already have to deal with from the CFO and some LEO as it is.[/QUOTE]
Sorry! In ON the CLUB has to apply for the LTATT. I don't know why clubs have such exclusive rules, unless they already have all the members they want. The CFO mandates that the clubs have a handgun safety course of at least 8 hours duration that new members take before the club applies for the ATT. This skould include a practical portion shooting with live rounds in my opinion. Remember, the RPAL course/ test doesn't include any actual shooting. Some clubs will insist on the whole enchilada including a probationary period shooting borrowed handguns even if the member has proven experience at another club. If a club has had bad experiences with new shooters they will be extra cautious because it only takes one incident to shut them down. Best bet is to keep after the club you want to belong to rather than try to take the course elsewhere, unless you know in advance your home club will accept that.
I hate to see clubs impose further restrictions on shooters than they already have to deal with from the CFO and some LEO as it is.[/QUOTE]
Sorry! In ON the CLUB has to apply for the LTATT. I don't know why clubs have such exclusive rules, unless they already have all the members they want. The CFO mandates that the clubs have a handgun safety course of at least 8 hours duration that new members take before the club applies for the ATT. This skould include a practical portion shooting with live rounds in my opinion. Remember, the RPAL course/ test doesn't include any actual shooting. Some clubs will insist on the whole enchilada including a probationary period shooting borrowed handguns even if the member has proven experience at another club. If a club has had bad experiences with new shooters they will be extra cautious because it only takes one incident to shut them down. Best bet is to keep after the club you want to belong to rather than try to take the course elsewhere, unless you know in advance your home club will accept that.
It just doesn't make sense to allow us in Ontario to get an ATT to bring the restricted gun home and while we are on probation not allow us to take and shoot our own guns. I think its fair that we have to shoot with an RO and thats fine with me. I don't like having to "borrow" guns each time and risk a problem or damage to a loaner gun and having to pay for it. I picked my guns because I like them and know a lot about them and would feel safest shooting them. Then I agree that we should get a sign off on revolver, shot gun, rifle and handgun but let us also use our own while under probation. Even have it expire after the 6 months if we don't do enough shooting or pass and that would be incentive to attend more often and pass the probationary shoots.
