a guide to purchasing first handgun? aka suggestions, for a newbie

.50 Desert Eagle on the other hand... definitely not... although I have seen some beginners with .44 magnum Desert Eagles, red dot sights and skull grips at the range, what a joke!

I can only imagine what some people would show up with!

You're right about the versatility of the .357 (sidebar; I love the caliber). I was mostly thinking from the perspective of arm/hand strain, cost...etc. But you're 100% right with the .38 versatility. However, I couldn't resist. :)
 
Freeballer, reading through this thread I see you've had some fun with BB guns in the past. And that you've already gotten the chance to try a .22 and .45acp handgun. So by now you are getting a feel for what they are like.

You also mentioned that you're considering a .22 and 9mm. From a cost per shot situation that is a great option. It also sounds like you're a little tight for money and need to plan carefully. If you enjoyed your time with the BB guns and liked the .22 handgun then you obviously won't "outgrow" a .22 handgun like some folks think everyone does. And a .22 will most certainly give you more shots per buck for the time being. It'll also give you a chance to learn the basics and not work into a really nice flinch. And for later on once you have a 9mm it'll let you fill out your range sessions with some good trigger time for cheap after you've shot your allowance of 9mm.

The GSG 1911 is a great 1911'ish .22. But don't pass up the other more mainstream options of Ruger, Browning and S&W. They all make highly respected .22 semi auto handguns. The S&W 22A doesn't get quite as much respect but it's still a reliable gun by MOST reports. Certainly better than some others out there.


Whichever handguns you get in ANY caliber be sure you can get magazines for them. Standing and perforating paper is fine at first. But soon you want to use your handguns in speed related matches to up the spice of shooting. And that's where having reasonable access to buying additional magazines comes into the picture. It may not seem important NOW, but in a year or less it'll become a big issue when you want to move on.
 
alternatively I'd taken a quick glance at the s&w and browning .22lr semi-autos. But to be honest I neglected my usual research, and the thread for a little bit. I've also looked into the walther ppq and sig 226, nutnfancy had alot of positive feedback on both firearms. They both are respectable firearms from what I've seen (so far)... But the sig would be a rather big investment, $1200 with taxes.. same with 1911 (not .22lr)

Maybe someone who's shot them both can tell me, how do the p229 and p226 compare?


Thank you Tadosan, It makes the case for revolvers, peticularly when you take CCW out - which we are forced to in Canada.

What guy didn't spend sometime with a BB gun when they were younger? lol I kept mine, so every so often i do shoot out the back door to a target in the woods.

I was able to fire several pistols and semi-autos, ranging from .22lr, .22mag, 9mm, 40s&w (and I believe) .38 and .357.. .45acp I won't speculate why some beginner would ever use a high power gun like that, but its definitely not my style. I can only imagine that such a weapon wouldn't improve one's experience starting out.

I think I want a .22lr and another calibre starting out. I could pack the .22lr as either a warmup, or along with a rifle if I wanted a change....
 
I can only imagine what some people would show up with!

You're right about the versatility of the .357 (sidebar; I love the caliber). I was mostly thinking from the perspective of arm/hand strain, cost...etc. But you're 100% right with the .38 versatility. However, I couldn't resist. :)

Lol, yeah, I could see what you were getting at. It always cracks me up when I see beginners showing up to the range with that kind of "fire power".
 
alternatively I'd taken a quick glance at the s&w and browning .22lr semi-autos. But to be honest I neglected my usual research, and the thread for a little bit. I've also looked into the walther ppq and sig 226, nutnfancy had alot of positive feedback on both firearms. They both are respectable firearms from what I've seen (so far)... But the sig would be a rather big investment, $1200 with taxes.. same with 1911 (not .22lr)

Maybe someone who's shot them both can tell me, how do the p229 and p226 compare?


Thank you Tadosan, It makes the case for revolvers, peticularly when you take CCW out - which we are forced to in Canada.

What guy didn't spend sometime with a BB gun when they were younger? lol I kept mine, so every so often i do shoot out the back door to a target in the woods.

I was able to fire several pistols and semi-autos, ranging from .22lr, .22mag, 9mm, 40s&w (and I believe) .38 and .357.. .45acp I won't speculate why some beginner would ever use a high power gun like that, but its definitely not my style. I can only imagine that such a weapon wouldn't improve one's experience starting out.

I think I want a .22lr and another calibre starting out. I could pack the .22lr as either a warmup, or along with a rifle if I wanted a change....

What you are "thinking you want" sounds very reasonable to start out with. I can't give you much advice on the .22lr. What are you thinking about for the other caliber, 9mm? Are you leaning towards the Sig and the Walther PPQ? I don't have much experience with the PPQ but it seems like a nice firearm. Since you mentioned "nutnfancy" you should check out his Glock videos, you could also watch hickok45's Glock videos.

The P226 is a nice gun, very reliable as long as you run her lubed. It has a very nice double action trigger pull and the single action is not bad either. It has a natural point of aim. Some down sides are the cost like you mentioned, it does not have a low bore axis like the Glock so follow up shots are not as good in my opinion. This is to say the bore sits fairly high even if you have a high grip compared to the Glock's or the PPQ and this will affect recoil control. The stock trigger on the standard p226 has a very ####ty reset. This also affects follow up shots but it can be improved by installing the short reset trigger. If you are using a proper high grip, the standard Sig P226 with the traditional grips will eat up you hand a bit and make it raw until your hand toughens up. The Glock does not have this problem at all. Where the slide release is positioned, it is easy for beginners to rest their thumb on it so the slide won't lock back on an empty mag. Parts, including mags are more expensive then Glock and harder to come by.

Glock has a low bore axis, pretty good reset and can be improved by installing the Glock factory "-" trigger connector. The grip is comfortable, although it does not have a natural point of aim but with practice it is no issue. Parts, including mags are cheap and easy to get, there are many companies in the states which will ship them to you. You don't have to mess around with multiple trigger pulls, safeties, or decockers. It is much more reasonably priced then other options. It is very simple in function and design and easy to maintain/work on for a beginner. It is extremely reliable, I dear say the most reliable pistol in the widest variety of conditions, period. Some down sides, the trigger is not the nicest but you can easily get use to it and learn how to use it properly. It does not have a natural point of aim like I mentioned. It is maybe not as "cool" looking or as "#### lengthening" (more like shrinking) as some other options out there. So you might not get attention from the real cool guys at the range (sarcasm).

The Walther PPQ, I don't know much about it. The trigger seems nicer then the Glock and reset seemed good. Natural point of aim seemed better then the Glock. It is pretty comfortable but is is very small, so depends on your hand size. Parts including mags will be much harder to come by then Glock, probably even Sig and will probably come at a hefty price. I can not comment on reliability.

Hope this helps.
 
Welcome to your Rpal . I would suggest a .22 as well to start , handgun proficiency takes a lot of rounds fired to get the basics down . .22's let you shoot lots and shoot often, the minimal recoil lets you focus on getting your technique down pat. Get a membership at a local range that allows handguns, they may have a pistol night/ day which allows members to shoot club guns and pick up some tips from other more experienced shooters .
 
What you are "thinking you want" sounds very reasonable to start out with. I can't give you much advice on the .22lr. What are you thinking about for the other caliber, 9mm? Are you leaning towards the Sig and the Walther PPQ? I don't have much experience with the PPQ but it seems like a nice firearm. Since you mentioned "nutnfancy" you should check out his Glock videos, you could also watch hickok45's Glock videos.

Ty. I had seen one of his videos featuring a silencer/supressor on a ruger mark 3.. But not his glock videos. When you mentioned the glock "-" trigger, did you mean the lower lbs draw?

Because of the price I've leaned towards the glock, then walther for "large" calibre (larger than .22lr in this context). I think you hit on every point/concern I would have.. I can't help thinking for beginner a glock is a better match than the sig. Because of recoil, parts/mag availability, reliability and ease of use.


... It is maybe not as "cool" looking or as "#### lengthening" (more like shrinking) as some other options out there. So you might not get attention from the real cool guys at the range (sarcasm).
If I haven't already lost their respect shooting a .22lr lol


Welcome to your Rpal . I would suggest a .22 as well to start , handgun proficiency takes a lot of rounds fired to get the basics down . .22's let you shoot lots and shoot often, the minimal recoil lets you focus on getting your technique down pat. Get a membership at a local range that allows handguns, they may have a pistol night/ day which allows members to shoot club guns and pick up some tips from other more experienced shooters .


Ty. I think a .22lr is a reasonable investment and I've found out reguardless of which gun I chose; glock, sig, walther, ruger... I'll likely have to order them. That gives me time to get the techique down pat with a .22lr.. I definitely have to speak to a few handgun owners at the club. I didn't see any shoots but maybe that will change with the weather.
 
When you mentioned the glock "-" trigger, did you mean the lower lbs draw?

Yes, you are correct, the "-" or 4.5lb stock connector is a trigger connector which lowers draw weight from the stock 5.5lb (I believe) standard connector which comes in the Glock 17. There are many companies which make them and you can find them in Canada or order them from the States. I stick with the Glock factory "-" trigger connector because I like it the most plus I try to keep my internals mostly Glock factory products. I don't think it really improves accuracy much but I believe it improves the speed of your follow up shots. I personally don't do anything else to the trigger, some people go a little crazy in my opinion.


I can't help thinking for beginner a glock is a better match than the sig. Because of recoil, parts/mag availability, reliability and ease of use.

Yes, I agree, nothing against the Sig, I love the Sig P226 but I would maybe save that for down the road if you still want one. Plus, the Glock is not only great for beginners, it is also used by top professionals around the world. If you ask someone who goes into harms way and carries a pistol, whether they are Military, Private Security Contractor, Law Enforcement, etc., which pistol they would choose, especially if they had to choose a stock, out of the box pistol and rely on it, you will find a very large percentage will say Glock.

I was at a training course outside of the country which was all guys from specialized Military and Law Enforcement units, mostly Americans but there were a few people from other countries thrown into the mix. It turned out, every single person was using a Glock, including the trainers who were also still doing Private Security except for three guys who had Sigs. Those guys had to use Sigs for their job, they had no choice. The Sigs ran fairly good for the course but they all said they preferred Glocks and one of the days when were were doing a lot of pistol work, they all had to clean and then re-lube their Sigs part way through. None of the Glock guys had to do that.

If I haven't already lost their respect shooting a .22lr lol

Lol, very true!
 
Yes, you are correct, the "-" or 4.5lb stock connector is a trigger connector which lowers draw weight from the stock 5.5lb (I believe) standard connector which comes in the Glock 17. There are many companies which make them and you can find them in Canada or order them from the States. I stick with the Glock factory "-" trigger connector because I like it the most plus I try to keep my internals mostly Glock factory products. I don't think it really improves accuracy much but I believe it improves the speed of your follow up shots. I personally don't do anything else to the trigger, some people go a little crazy in my opinion.

I was fairly certain thats what you were indicating. As you can see I don't mind asking anyways..


Yes, I agree, nothing against the Sig, I love the Sig P226 but I would maybe save that for down the road if you still want one. Plus, the Glock is not only great for beginners, it is also used by top professionals around the world. If you ask someone who goes into harms way and carries a pistol, whether they are Military, Private Security Contractor, Law Enforcement, etc., which pistol they would choose, especially if they had to choose a stock, out of the box pistol and rely on it, you will find a very large percentage will say Glock.

I was at a training course outside of the country which was all guys from specialized Military and Law Enforcement units, mostly Americans but there were a few people from other countries thrown into the mix. It turned out, every single person was using a Glock, including the trainers who were also still doing Private Security except for three guys who had Sigs. Those guys had to use Sigs for their job, they had no choice. The Sigs ran fairly good for the course but they all said they preferred Glocks and one of the days when were were doing a lot of pistol work, they all had to clean and then re-lube their Sigs part way through. None of the Glock guys had to do that.


Thats similar to stories I've heard. Thats what I meant by perceived reliability... There are of course some who do not like glocks, but
mostly they are said to be reliable firearms..

The glock is more a point and shoot, when I'm more familiar with firearms I may want the features of the p226. I might want to try a larger calibre someday, and the p226 definitely is in my top 5. However when I go to the store I'll try and keep an open mind...



New Polish Tokarov, and LOTS of 7.62x25 ammo...

Enjoy!

Cheers
Jay

wouldn't the ammo be rather hard, or harder to find? so far the calibre are ones I can find in town.. I'm not sure whether the 7.62x25 would..
 
Fffiioouuuffffff , so much text talk, choose something and let's get shooting , honey...chuuuttt ..just pull the trigger 
 
Fffiioouuuffffff , so much text talk, choose something and let's get shooting , honey...chuuuttt ..just pull the trigger 

no offence intended but I did start by saying I didn't have my rpal as of yet.
If I am to believe the rep I talked to, there is a backlog and they are waiting to scan the forms....


I know the simpsons stoped being funny for many of us long ago, but am I the only one who pictures
homer on the front lawn with tom petty's the waiting playing... ?
 
Good luck choosing your first pistol! Narrowing down to my CZ SP-01 took 500 rounds and several trips to the range. It's very much a personal choice. For example, I love the Springfield XD 9mm, a lot of people hate it cause of the heavy trigger pull and the fact that's it's pretty front heavy. Glocks and Sigs are fine pistols, just not my cup of tea.

Do take some time to look at .22LR's. I've been using my friend's Browning Buckmark the past few trips to the range in addition to my CZ and I find that it helps me work on my trigger pull and grip without being "surprised" by the recoil. If I start missing with the CZ, I go to the .22 for a couple magazines, go back to the CZ and I'm back on target. Great training aid.
 
Good luck choosing your first pistol! Narrowing down to my CZ SP-01 took 500 rounds and several trips to the range. It's very much a personal choice. For example, I love the Springfield XD 9mm, a lot of people hate it cause of the heavy trigger pull and the fact that's it's pretty front heavy. Glocks and Sigs are fine pistols, just not my cup of tea.

Do take some time to look at .22LR's. I've been using my friend's Browning Buckmark the past few trips to the range in addition to my CZ and I find that it helps me work on my trigger pull and grip without being "surprised" by the recoil. If I start missing with the CZ, I go to the .22 for a couple magazines, go back to the CZ and I'm back on target. Great training aid.

Ty. I think my wait is near its end. Both my references and I were interviewed today!
(But of course a long term ATT is probably another waiting period lol)
Once I get my rpal i can handle a few, and put some money down on a "high calibre".
But I'll take my time at the store and pick out a .22lr for just that kind of practice, warming up.....
 
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Go for the tried, and true. Don't go for guns that are flavor of the month. What I've found with .22LR pistols is that the more ugly they are (Buckmark, Ruger MKIII) the more reliable they will be. Guns like the Walther P22, that try and look like centerfire guns, seem to be of inferior quality.

Go with tried and tested designs that fit your budget. Guns that are common and have been on the market for a while, but also guns that have excellent resale. For example, in 9 millimeter, you want to go with something like a CZ75 variant, a Glock 17, a Sig Sauer P226, an M&P, etc.

What I'm trying to say is don't believe "CZ is the best! Glock is the best! Sig is the best!" (though they're all great) but pick one of the commonplace models that fits you. Learn that individual handguns have different maintenance needs. Glocks, for example, need a couple of drops of oil here and there and then it's good to go. Sigs need their frame rails lubricated with grease to protect the anodizing on the aluminum frame against the harder slide. Not a bad thing, just something to consider.

There seems to be this misconception that a first gun should be cheap to learn on and then trade for a nice gun. Why? Why not learn on a quality firearm from the start? It's not like you're going to be dropping it or doing stupid sh*t to it...right? Follow the maintenance schedule, keep parts on hand, and you can have a quality handgun a lifetime.

Ruger MKIII... ugly? You're nuts.
 
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