semi auto shotgun max capacity.4+1? 6+1?

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Hi.i just cant find what im looking for.i know semi auto have a max of 5 rounds.but what about shorter rounds? How do we make sure we make sure we are legal?
 
Or there's these;

"Aguila Minishell shotshells are only 1-3/4" long, and greatly increase the capacity of pump-action shotguns. They work great in Winchester 1300 shotguns, though other pump guns may not cycle reliably without modification. Perfect for use as low-recoil ammunition for single-shot or double guns as well. Ideal for recoil-sensitive shooters."
 
Guy.B said:
So 5 in the mag.so shells of 3 inch is that right? So if it fits 8 of 2.some its fine?
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If your gun is marked 3", then yes, 5x 3" shells in the mag.

If its marked 3.5" then 5x 3.5" shells. It has to be clearly marked as such!
 
OK thought I would make my explanation You Tube style....

Hope this helps & if there is any discrepancies please point it out...


Ohh Damn - forgot to add the 930 can also ghost load - hence the first timed run can have 8 rounds !!!!! Thats not bad.
 
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I always wanted that 2-shell horizontal holder, where'd you get yours? Looks rail mounted?

Any cheap-ish alternatives (maybe velcro and strap) to get those 2 shells mounted up in that position?
 
anybody have that in writing from the rcmp? so even though it says 2 3/4 as long as it also says 3" we can plug it to 5 3" and 6 2-3/4"
 
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knock-knock said:
I always wanted that 2-shell horizontal holder, where'd you get yours? Looks rail mounted?

Any cheap-ish alternatives (maybe velcro and strap) to get those 2 shells mounted up in that position?
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Rail mounted...

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Its was modded from a Choate 2 shell holder that normally goes on a 1-3/4" belt. The holder was then mounted on a rifle bipod bracket that used a picatinny rail mount.
I didnt want to wait 9 months for a shell holder that was $80USD...from Sidearmor Forward Shell Carrier

Total cost was $30 bux...plus my time modding it.
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shell holder mount is secure enough to hold and yank hard on the entire shotgun.

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You can mod also a SAFARILAND - DOUBLE SHOTSHELL HOLDER and use velcro to mount on the fore end....
 
I'm also looking for any reference material that states that it is alright to have 5 -3.5" shells (for an sg with 3.5" chamber) and more than 5 - 2 3/4" shells. If anyone knows where I can reference this a link would be great or please point me in the right direction.
 
JohnnyMac said:
I'm also looking for any reference material that states that it is alright to have 5 -3.5" shells (for an sg with 3.5" chamber) and more than 5 - 2 3/4" shells. If anyone knows where I can reference this a link would be great or please point me in the right direction.
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RCMP Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72 said:
Maximum Permitted Magazine Capacity

Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72

Background

The maximum capacity of a cartridge magazine is set out in Part 4 of the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted. The Regulations prescribe “prohibited devices”, and a magazine that has a capacity which exceeds the maximum permitted capacity is a prohibited device. Businesses can be in possession of prohibited devices if appropriately licensed. However, individuals may not possess prohibited devices.

The magazine regulations have been in force since 1993. However, in recent years, new cartridge magazines have been introduced which have resulted in novel situations as it concerns the application of the Regulations. There has been no change to the Regulations. Nonetheless, the application of the existing Regulations to a few new products has given the appearance of a change in the law. This has been particularly evident in the case of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for more than one type of firearm.

Purpose

The purpose of this bulletin is to provide greater clarity on the maximum permitted capacity of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for use in more than one kind of firearm. Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm.

Current Issues

1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both rimfire calibre rifles and handguns

Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.

Example:
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 rifle and 15-22P pistol chambered for 22LR caliber:

the 10 round magazine is unregulated
the 25 round magazine is a prohibited device

2. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the limit of five cartridges.

Example:
Hi-Point rifle and handgun chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:

magazine capacities over five rounds are prohibited.

3. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle other than a semiautomatic or automatic rifle, do not have a regulated capacity. Magazines that are designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and other (non-semiautomatic) rifles are subject to the semiautomatic rifle limit of five cartridges.

Example:
Remington model 7615 pump action rifle chambered for 223 Remington caliber:

the 10 round magazine is prohibited
the five round magazine is unregulated

4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.


5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.

Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.

For more information, please contact the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program by one of the following methods:
telephone: 1 800-731-4000 ext. 2542
web site: www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/index-eng.htm
e-mail: cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca

This bulletin is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the Firearms Act, the Criminal Code and Regulations. Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply.

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There you go. The key is contained in point 5; "The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain". This also applies to shotguns.
 
Hey thanks very much for posting. It makes sense to me but the only question that still remains for me is if there's a shotgun that is designed for 2 3/4, 3" and 3 1/2" would this still apply if you could get > 5 2 3/4" shells in it?
 
JohnnyMac said:
Hey thanks very much for posting. It makes sense to me but the only question that still remains for me is if there's a shotgun that is designed for 2 3/4, 3" and 3 1/2" would this still apply if you could get > 5 2 3/4" shells in it?
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It is the 5 of the longest shell your barrel is marked for.
 
My Fabarm SAT8 is chambered to fit 3" shells. I used a new mag tube and made an insert that allows 6 X 2 3/4 shells (i don't believe in fitting 5.9 3" shells, different brand shell or the spring compresses more, or follower compacts or gets swapped ect. and you could be in trouble)

with 6 X 2 3/4 shells, one chambered and one Ghost loaded, i have a Semi with 8 capacity. Not too shabby.
 
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