Does Nobody Want Keltec RFB's Anymore??????

dpopl8r said:
Yes, really! My prime reason for seeking out the RFB is primarily for the .308 and not so 2nd, it's very compact size - to be typically used for still hunting in thick bush and as a non-obtrusive backup rifle when bowhunting in bear country. I have had a couple norc M305s - QC is very poor, even the latest, newest ones that just arrived (I have one), and they are unwieldly and therefore become darn heavy to pack for long hikes. IMO the high dollar Spingfield M1A's are a bigger waste of money than the RFB ever will be. ....................
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Well, my response to alternatives (not knowing what you might use it for...or relative experience with other platforms) was a bit off the mark. As I responded to WW, I wasn't trying to make comparisons, only answering your post on other NR semi's available.

Unfortunately, my limited experience with the RFB was an afternoon with my brother's rifle and one very unreliable and temperamental mag. I will admit, I am tainted by the experience, and don't currently see the value of one for me. But that's just me, and everyone buys a gun for their own reasons - so enjoy your RFB!
 
Wrong Way said:
fair enough....I prefer the M14 at the range as well. Now, to see where I'm coming from, hump 10 miles of thick Boreal and cedar swamp with each and tell me which one you'd prefer :)
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Oh, I didn't use my M1A for hunting, only range work.....that's what my 740 carbine is for; so we are in agreement there.

But trying to bench the short RFB at the range was frustrating to say the least, add a crappy unreliable mag and I wanted to throw
the thing downrange after 20 minutes. I'm sure one day I'll have a chance to have another go at it, and with a more positive outcome my opinion may change.
 
beltfed said:
I have never (nor will I ever) owned one.
My personal use and experience was limited to one afternoon, and while I concede it is far from exhaustive it was enough to give it a shakedown - I'd summarize it with the feeling they are an expensive $600 rifle. If I had my druthers, and our laws weren't as they are I'd take a well worn FAL or M14 over a brand new RFB in a heartbeat.
I'm also very certain the RFB isn't a consistent moa or 1.5 moa performer - and that's ok, I get that it was likely never meant to perform beyond what it's capable of ( I think it's an honest 4 moa gun - imho). Your 5 round group printing 1.5" is a good indication of MPI.
Sorry to those of you that think I've called your pride and joy a POS - it isn't personal.
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You are really full of**** ...so you open a tread not seaking any info, no you felt like open a tread to bash a firearm you shot once at a range that was not yours and probably not properly set and or bad mags. You did not have a good experience so OMG ITS A PEACE OF ***** , ITS 4 moa gun! FFS! Is my ddm4v5 a piece of **** cause its shoots 6 moa with norinco 223 surplus?????????? I guess so even if its shoot around 1-1.5 with cheap winchester 55gr.

Seriously have you ben shooting for more then 2 monts? ( I know you have) but comme on use your brain! My mini 14 has fte and ftf all the times does that means that all mini 14 are 50 $ gun and that all sks are better?


A peice of crap ffs.....


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Done with WAL-MART winchester silver tip 168 gr. And a 3x scope by a poor shot, yep a real 400 $ 4 moa gun....GENIUS! !!!
 
mlehtovaara said:
Me personally, I just think all their other lower end stuff is just way too cheaply made with all that plastic. The folding designs I would break for sure, and the KSG feels like I am gonna break it when I rack the slide.

The RFB is definitely better made, and you can feel it when you hold it, so I really can't say it is crap, but I'd be scared to drop it, or put it through any harsh use.

I'm no plastic hater, and it has it's place, but in the Keltec products it doesn't boast confidence IMHO.
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I hate plastic too (at least in Guns) I like good old fashioned steel or stainless myself just personal preference. Other than teasing the crap out of one Glock loving friend I have no real complaints against polymer guns. That being said a few years ago I bought a ccm bike tire pump from Canadian tire it was a thin polymer tube with a weight of mere ounces(really light weight) and has an internal wall thickness measured in possibly mm's (thin) with an overall diameter of about 2 inches. I ran it over with a smaller Toyota 4x4 in the driveway to my cabin (4x4 access with ruts, rocks etc.) The pump was fine after two tires went over it and still functions well to this day .
 
Weapontech said:
Oh, I didn't use my M1A for hunting, only range work.....that's what my 740 carbine is for; so we are in agreement there.

But trying to bench the short RFB at the range was frustrating to say the least, add a crappy unreliable mag and I wanted to throw
the thing downrange after 20 minutes. I'm sure one day I'll have a chance to have another go at it, and with a more positive outcome my opinion may change.
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Sand bag in front one sans bag under the mag, shoot with your right hand and hold the mag with your left ( if you are a righty).

See you had a bad e experience and you comment, perfectly acceptable! Not like op, EVERY type make and model of firearm will have problems! You cant judge all by one, especially if you don't properly set the gas system and or got one bad mag and you judge by that!

The gun is not 100% reliable. No! But for most its 99.9% reliable!
 
This is like talking about guns with an anti. Can we all just give up? All I see is one side throwing facts gathered through experience and the other side saying I don't like them so no one should have one or I knew a guy that knew a guy that said they were unreliable and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

Cost has nothing to do with how accurate a gun is and to say it's no good because for $2500 you expect sub moa is ignorant. The rifle was not designed to be a sniper rifle but I can say it is honestly a 2 moa rifle with most ammo and I have a couple recipes that have made mine a 1.5moa rifle and I'm still working on loads. It isn't great at the range off the table and is awkward to set up on bags but it can shoot once you figure out what works for you. It shines in offhand shooting where it's short length and rear weight balance make it feel much lighter than it is.
It is reliable when fed good mags and ammunition and when the gas system is set up properly. It does exactly what it was designed to do. If that doesn't fit with what your looking for then don't buy one but don't say it's a crap rifle just because you don't like it.

Lets all agree once again for the who knows how many times this has come around again on here that those that like them will continue to own them and those that don't won't.
 
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red magnum said:
This thread is great! Reminds me of the time I said something about not understanding the draw of the Swiss Arms.
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There a difference in not understanding a draw and saying something is crap cause you are not drawn to it or had ONE bad experience!
 
Ardent said:
Driven those too, and they're nothing to sniff at. The base vette today leaves most of Europe at three times it price in its wake handily, does 0-60 in 4.1, and 2014 brings 450hp base. They are blindingly fast and handle to boot, even at $60,600. PS what do you drive to turn your nose up at the base vette?? :)
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I never said the Vette was not a great car at any price, I used the analogy that even a $100k car needs to be modified extensively from the showroom, to be a true all around competitor, so if you want a sub moa RFB , drop some more coin to get it there.
Btw...911Turbo :) only in the summer though.
 
I have one and have no issue getting 1 moa. It took some time but now it shoots very consistently. Maybe I just got lucky, I will not be selling mine.
 
rally guy said:
Sand bag in front one sans bag under the mag, shoot with your right hand and hold the mag with your left ( if you are a righty).
See you had a bad e experience and you comment, perfectly acceptable! Not like op, EVERY type make and model of firearm will have problems! You cant judge all by one, especially if you don't properly set the gas system and or got one bad mag and you judge by that!
The gun is not 100% reliable. No! But for most its 99.9% reliable!
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Thanks, I'll take that under advisement the next time I have a chance to take it out.......which I hope will be sooner than later.

Don't get me wrong - I think the rifle has great potential; I love the bull-pup config (I've built several bull-pup muzzle-loaders, one build thread is on this site).
Certainly there are going to be good and bad versions in every lot; in my profession, I see it all the time. I don't hold it against the design, or the company. There are lemons in every pile of oranges.

Like a new car, I'll wait until enough of them are out there for me to make an informed purchase decision based on extensive documented evidence and personal experience. Currently, I have neither; so I'll hold off any purchasing decision until I have both.

Regardless, I do hope that those that have them enjoy them....and they do what they are expected, and advertised to do.
 
I have a friend who hunts, but lost his rt. arm. An M14, Garand, XCR, etc aren't going to work with one arm. A N/R 308 bullpup is perfect. Now to get the $ together. I think this year I will rest the bolt 30-06 fore end on my shoulder for him and keep saving.
 
Ardent said:
Driven those too, and they're nothing to sniff at. The base vette today leaves most of Europe at three times it price in its wake handily, does 0-60 in 4.1, and 2014 brings 450hp base. They are blindingly fast and handle to boot, even at $60,600. PS what do you drive to turn your nose up at the base vette?? :)
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C7 is on my wish list. Just wanting a double clutch auto for mine. I'm hoping the 2015 will have it. I wasn't liking the back lights but if you see the photos of the grey one they actually seem to work looks wise. I'll know for sure when I see one in real life. Yes I've driven a base C6. Hell of a lot of power and handles. I liked it a lot. The C7 looks eve better plus 450 base model HP (Economy Ferrari 458 Italia anyone?).
 
Epoxy7 said:
C7 is on my wish list. Just wanting a double clutch auto for mine. I'm hoping the 2015 will have it. I wasn't liking the back lights but if you see the photos of the grey one they actually seem to work looks wise. I'll know for sure when I see one in real life. Yes I've driven a base C6. Hell of a lot of power and handles. I liked it a lot. The C7 looks eve better plus 450 base model HP (Economy Ferrari 458 Italia anyone?).
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I'm fully hijacking, but indeed, my eye is on the C7 or maybe a used C6 when the new model hits the street and used roll along at prices I can't ignore. I drove one around Florida for a couple days, it even sold the wife on it, just stupid fast even for a "base" model. We rented a ZHZ from Hertz in Orlando, same price as a theme park and a lot more fun. To be truthful it all becomes so fast the ZR1 to a layman doesn't feel much different aside from the sounds, I can't tell much of a difference between 3.5 for 0-60 for the ZR-1 and 4.1 0-60 for the "crappy" vette bemoaned in this thread. Never driven a ZR-1 at high speed though, I imagine it keeps pulling hard where the C6 drops off, but I've done 250 in the C6 and she wasn't done pulling yet. I was shocked, thought I had "fast" cars I hopped up as a young twenty something, I was re-educated on what speed is.
 
If the vette is as fast as my Triumph Rocket 3... 0 to 100 mph 7.8 sec ( 0 to 60... 2.7 sec ), i am in for a very big fun factor... JP.
 
jason113 said:
IMO all keltec are too plasticky, you can actually see and hear from pulling the charging handle :(
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have you even SEEN a RFB ? honestly how can the RFB sound plasticky ? as stated the only plastic on it that i can find is the buttplate and the coating on the charging handle. other than that, it sounds like a standard rifle when pulling the charging handle.
 
caramel said:
If the vette is as fast as my Triumph Rocket 3... 0 to 100 mph 7.8 sec ( 0 to 60... 2.7 sec ), i am in for a very big fun factor... JP.
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I've gone through more than a half dozen bikes myself (sports though, 600's-1,000's), when you're in a comfy leather interior, it's a whole different kind of fast. I'd also like to see you do 0-60mph in 2.7 on it, that takes a very, very talented rider and most of the guys I met at the track (myself included) couldn't launch anything like what the bikes spec'd at.
 
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