tavor accuracy

[antiqueguy]

anyone got anything good to say in the 100 yard accuracy of the NR tavor i thinking it may be a good yote gun

also how are you guys adjusting to it i mean im used to normal rifles and shotguns and have a longer length of pull at something like 14.75"

i really like that it uses ar mags(surplus mags = cheap fun) and that it can also use the hotter 5.56 nato(never know)

 

[Dick Proenneke]

2" to 5" at 100 yds depending on ammo.

 

[tiriaq]

"surplus mags = cheap fun"?
Where do you find these cheap magazines these days?

 

[Master-G]

also how are you guys adjusting to it i mean im used to normal rifles and shotguns and have a longer length of pull at something like 14.75"

I'm a sub-6' guy and the longer LOP has never bothered me. I've found that since bullpups don't have much weight up front they're comfortable to hold, even with a bit of a longer LOP than a normally-stocked rifle. Bulked-up with body armour and gear it could be a problem but unless my situation changes drastically for the worse that's not likely to be an issue for me.

 

[hbean]

I can do sub MOA single shot groupings with my Tavor all day long

 

[notsorichguy]

I have been doing some hand loading for the Tavor, seems to be the only way I'll get sub 2" groups.....

AE 55gr FMJ was over 5", win 55gr FMJ white box was 7", the 3 kinds of nork ammo I tried were around 3-5" (red, yellow and white box). All groups were off the hood of a truck at 100y, not my most accurate shooting position. MFS ammo was horrid, but I did the 100y .75" challenge with that ammo in a browning xbolt, so it's not the ammo IMHO.

Based on my ladder gets 50gr nosler ballistic tips pushed by 26.0 and 26.9 gr of benchmark. Federal match primers, new win brass.

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[Slaymoar]

So people are crapping all over the RFB for being a 1.5-2MOA rifle when a tavor is more expensive and has a higher moa?

 

[RMXC51]

Yeah, this doesn't sound any better than a fresh SKS. Wow.

 

[notsorichguy]

ARs are not much better IMHO box stock. Until you float the barrel and do some hand loading......

The Tavor I have is better than all of the mini-14s I have owned over the years (4).......

True accuracy potential is only really tested off a bench, I have yet to shoot my Tavor off a bench. I have several bolt guns that shot similar sized groups from the hood of a truck with no rest, but are much more accurate off bags.

I have yet to shoot the Tavor off a bench as I have yet to find a suitable bag system to do so. I have a new set of bags on order, but I have yet to receive them or try them as of yet.

One of these days I'm going to try this rifle off a proper rest, then the accuracy question will have one honest answer.......

 

[mstoetz1]

2" to 5" at 100 yds depending on ammo.

Although many comment the TAVOR accuracy sucks, that accuracy is fine with me... I wouldn't personally expect anything better for a bullpup.

 

[antiqueguy]

"surplus mags = cheap fun"?
Where do you find these cheap magazines these days?

i have my sorces but even marstar has cheap aluminum and stainless mags when they have stock anyway

 

[antiqueguy]

good to know maybe with the right handload it make a good yote gun seems to be alot quicker to shoulder then a standard stock

 

[Aries-]

It is a battle rifle. Be glad it is less than a pie plate at 150 yards.

Tar with cheap msi steel cased fmj is good enough to keep hitting a popcan at 100 yards with the sight that came with it.

 

[Dick Proenneke]

ARs are not much better IMHO box stock.

I disagree. Any $3000 AR is gonna be MOA, or better with factory match ammunition. KAC SR15 = 1-1.5" Noveske SS = 0.5"-1". My Colt Canada C8 will shoot 1.5 to 2" with factory match. Of course with anything, you need good quality ammunition (FGMM, or BH) and a magnified optic, to show the potential of the rifle. I owned two Tavor's and tested them off the bench with a 10X nightforce and the best I could do was just over two inches. I'm not the best shot in the world, but I'm no slouch. That being said, the Tavor is my favourite, inaccurate rifle.

 

[notsorichguy]

I disagree. Any $3000 AR is gonna be MOA, or better with factory match ammunition. KAC SR15 = 1-1.5" Noveske SS = 0.5"-1". My Colt Canada C8 will shoot 1.5 to 2" with factory match. Of course with anything, you need good quality ammunition (FGMM, or BH) and a magnified optic, to show the potential of the rifle. I owned two Tavor's and tested them off the bench with a 10X nightforce and the best I could do was just over two inches. I'm not the best shot in the world, but I'm no slouch. That being said, the Tavor is my favourite, inaccurate rifle.

I wasn't referring to a $3000 AR, rather a $1000 entry level AR....... Perhaps I shouldn't compare the 2, as they are apples to oranges....

I also haven't tried anything other than 55gr factory bulk ammo in the Tavor either...... It's on my list of stuff to do......

 

[Epoxy7]

I wouldn't expect a sub moa shooter. With regards to the AR the sub moa ones have match grade barrels or very high end CL (Mike Rock in regular LMT, FN 249 barrel etc). You're not going to get sub 1 moa from a non free floated, regular chrome lined barrel and a mil spec trigger.

Just keep in mind the Tavor is a non free floated piston system with a CL barrel. Also it's a 1:7 twist rate. Give heavier stuff a try.

I haven't benched mine yet but off hand at 50 yards using PMC bronze 55 grain I have shot a ragged hole with 5 rounds. My CZ858 however with cheq surplus only shot a bit bigger. But this was off hand standing so there's a lot of shooter induced variables there.

Blaxsun gave me a bunch of ammo to test including 75 grain stuff. My Tavor is scoped and sighted in. Just waiting for some time and good weather.

 

[Farmer Harv]

All three of my Tavors have grouped worse than any of the Mini-14’s I've owned with factory fodder. If I want tiny groups I use my bolt gun, if I want to have cheap and easy fun I shoot the Tavor/Mini.

 

[Epoxy7]

All three of my Tavors have grouped worse than any of the Mini-14’s I've owned with factory fodder. If I want tiny groups I use my bolt gun, if I want to have cheap and easy fun I shoot the Tavor/Mini.

Shooting cheap fodder usually means 55 grain ammo. Old mini 14 is 1:10, newer is 1:9 I recall? With my Swiss arms 55 fodder shoots 2moa or more. With it's 1:10 twist rate 62 American eagle shot 1 moa. The Tavor is a 1:7 twist. Consider that AR rifles have gone from 1:12 to 1:9 some at 1:8 and now the common standard of 1:7. My guess is you'll need to be in the 70s for best accuracy ammo in a Tavor. Even then CL barrel so don't expect 1moa accuracy. 1.5 would be fair.

On a side note:

I personally think the Internet has given people a false belief in realistic accuracy. It used to be only finely tuned hunting rifles shot 1 moa. Now with tactical rifles shooting .5 moa and the AR being the exception to the semi auto not being accurate belief, everyone seems to expect unreal accuracy from regular barrels and cheap ammo. You see this with the RFB thread as well.

Also it should be noted that bullpups excell when shooting off hand. A 2moa gun may be more accurate off hand than a heavy cumbersome 1moa shooter. Simply due to the ease of aiming and staying on target when unsupported with a bullpup.

 

[Teletraan]

100yds off bipod in prone position. Elcan on 4x and Norc.

 

[beltfed]

I personally think the Internet has given people a false belief in realistic accuracy. It used to be only finely tuned hunting rifles shot 1 moa. Now with tactical rifles shooting .5 moa and the AR being the exception to the semi auto not being accurate belief, everyone seems to expect unreal accuracy from regular barrels and cheap ammo.

I totally agree with this statement.
What people often confuse is mechanical accuracy with practical or as you say realistic accuracy.

I was calling out guys claiming the 1 -1.5 moa accuracy of their RFBs and I stand by that.
Early on owning a Tavor I thought it was capable of 2 or better moa - that opinion changed pretty quickly as the round count came up. There certainly seems to be a stigma attached to '1 moa'.