7.62x39 Tackdriver

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One of the best bench rest calibers over the years has been the 6PPC. The case is somewhat similar to the 7.62x39 case.

I was looking at a sack of 1000 pieces of nice virgin brass, several thousand match 308 bullets, a shelf of used 308 match barrels and got to thinking I could make a pretty good 7.62x39 rifle. I had quite a few different flavours of milsup ammo and was curious how they compared. I thought an accurate rifle would be a good idea.

I have used old match barrels before in projects. The 308 target barrel suffers throat erosion after about 5,000 rounds. If 2 inches is cut off, the barrel can be re-threaded for any action and rechambered for any caliber.

In one project the barrel was rechambered in 303 British. The result is a 308 British... I really like it because I have so many 308 bullets on hand.

In another project I took a 22" sporter barrel off a Savage hunting rifle and installed a target barrel cut back to 20". the result was a very handy hunting rifle with exceptional accuracy from a stiff high quality barrel. I actually took it hunting and found it to be very good.

The last project was to use one of the used target barrels to make a 7.62x39. Yes, I know the barrel is a bit tight, but that is ok. the chamber is cut with a longer, tapered throat to accommodate 155 gr match bullets. The .310 SKS rounds go though just fine, as they did in my Ruger Mini-30, which also had a 308 barrel.

Any bolt action would work. I elected to use a Remington 788 I had. By changing the magazine to a 22-250 mag, I was able to have a working magazine with no fiddling around with lips, box lengths, etc.

It looks like this:

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I have not done any load development with it, but I did load some match bullets that got shot one day along with a number of different milsurp flavours. The match bullets were around an inch. A promising start.

Now I am thinking that maybe a 30-30 on a bolt action made with a short match grade barrel would be interesting.

Do you have a project in mind? I have lots of barrels that are only worn in the first 2"...
 
What a great idea!! I could put a match barrel on a M44. I wonder if a 30" target barrel could be cut down to fit the long MN?

But I don't have a 7.62x54 reamer. But I could make it a 308 Brit.
 
What a great idea!! I could put a match barrel on a M44. I wonder if a 30" target barrel could be cut down to fit the long MN?

But I don't have a 7.62x54 reamer. But I could make it a 308 Brit.

It would be single shot in 308 brit as the mag wont hold the 303 case. If you are going to go that way, 308 epps might be a better idea.
 
I have yet to see a really accurate 762x39 which is surprising considering the cartridge's lineage. Good luck with this.
Just waiting on a new reamer that has the correct throat and improved case match specs. With Lapua brass and a Match barrel I can assure you it will shoot.
FYI, check out the 30PPC or 30 major which is basically a 6.5 Grendel necked up.

Here's the basic problem I found with the standard 7.62x39 case capacity after some experiments. It just doesn't have enough room to drive bullets of 125grs or less to about 2,850to 2,950fps. You really need that to get those accuracy nodes. The 30BR does it easily and hence why it's so accurate.

The standard case does very well in cast bullets matches though.
 
I was thinking of using an old SKS barrel I have to make up a end cap type of action - would have to find a metric tap, they are on ebay. I doubt if there would be a problem with the end cap coming back at me - that is a big thread of course, it probably would only be entirely safe with mid range loads or maybe one could get a piece of 8620 steel and have it heat treated after the machining was done. There was something like that a while ago in the Backwoodsman magazine, - except the guy rethreaded a .303 barrel for a #4 rifle ( :( ) to .32/20 & made up an endcap(breech) out of the threaded rod joiner pieces. Iirc the thread was the common nc X3/4" thread. He rigged up a crude side lock for it, and claimed it worked okay for occasional small game hunting that obviously would not require a quick follow up shot.

This is not really a serious idea.
 
"Here's the basic problem I found with the standard 7.62x39 case capacity after some experiments. It just doesn't have enough room to drive bullets of 125grs or less to about 2,850to 2,950fps. You really need that to get those accuracy nodes. The 30BR does it easily and hence why it's so accurate."

My first test averaged under 1.0" (5 shot groups) I assume with some load development I can get 0.75 reliably. Suputuin said "I have yet to see a really accurate 762x39 which is surprising considering the cartridge's lineage." How do you define "really accurate"? I think consistently under an inch might qualify. With some development, I assume results will improve. These groups were all shot the same day, and represent all the groups shot with commercial bullets (Hornady SP, not FMJ).

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The case has a lot of taper. I wonder if an Akley treatment would be called for?

Desporter. The 303 and 7.62x54R cases look similar. I thought the 303 case would fit the MN mag. never tried it, though.
 
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I was able to get some groups into .3's and .4's with the standard case which I found more than adequate accuracy.
To reach it's full potential you need to Ackley or PPC it with custom bullets with proper throat to get those .1's groups or better.

It's all relative Jim. The long throat and chamber your using which I still use for hunting and plinking is still perfect for using surplus and heavy bullets in .308 bores. Was talking with Dave Kiff on the new reamer and he still recommends that reamer if using surplus.
Try some 200grs cast bullets. They work well in that chamber and the long throat is easy on cast bullets.

Was out today trying some Romanian surplus and my 700 shot 30 rounds inside of 2" with just a couple of fliers outside it. I still think that's accurate enough for steel cored, steel cased ammo.
 
Desporter. The 303 and 7.62x54R cases look similar. I thought the 303 case would fit the MN mag. never tried it, though.

You would need to widen the mag a bit, do some work to the ejector to retain the cartridges & it still may not feed depending on how the receiver is machined. Hell if bannerman got 30,06 to feed in a mosin anything can be done but may not be worth the trouble.
 
Nice shooting but as you can see with these reasults at 100 meters looks great now try the excate same at 300 meters and watch it open up. Like I have said numerous times with in 200 meters this round is good but once you start pushing it past that the lack of veliocity and other earthly factores really start to show up.
Nice to see though an un-bais post of the full potentional of accuracy that this round can produce and like always from a bolt action rifle tricked out.
 
Not to take anything away from Ganderite's fine report on several brands of 7.62x39 surplus tests in another thread, but this is about 7.62x39 tackdrivers.

Maybe a tricked out bolt action, but it's a Rem 700 factory .308 varmint barrel I rechambered to 7.62x39 to basically become a plinker and shoot cheap surplus. Barrel was cut to 22.5" to clean out most of the original .308 Win chamber.
I installed a McLennan brake and reworked the bolt with an AR15 extractor and modified the mag to hold five rounds. A target gun it's not.
Here's 10 rounds of Romanian [red seal] surplus fired @ 100yds just for fun. 10 shots grouped into 1.720" and 7 went into under an 1".
For steel case, steel cored, corrosive ammo I'd say, not bad. This barrel is on it's third case of surplus over 2,500rds so far.

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