Just bought a 270wsm vangaurd stainless synthetic

I had one in 300wsm , was very accurate. 6 hours of hunting in the rain the SS model i had would be covered in suface rust ... even with oil. F**ck'n drove me nuts.

Sold it ... Went back to Rems, Extreme conditions , the black version. I have a couple of titaniums that i love for all kinds of reasons... including they dont ever get surface rust

You'll probably be happy with yours. I liked mine , just couldnt get over the one issue. I hike too much in the rain
 
I agre with you pilot. The newer SS barrels and actions aren't of the best quality. I have a buddy who has a TC endeavor in SS and it's covered in small rust spots. NOT what I'd expect from a $900 gun. I carry a small magnet when checking out guns. If it's "stainless" the magnet doesn't stick. Unfortunately, the new "stainless" rifles are magnetic. Not worth paying the extra coin for them.

-Jason
 
interesting. Ive actually been consider buying the same gun/ caliber. Im glad I saw this thread. How do you like .270 wsm? whats the recoil/ muzzle blast like?
 
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I have a vanguard S1 Sporter in 308. Love it to death. Best $450 I've ever spent. I have a S2 in 7mm rem mag on my list and also possibly one in 223 (might also do a savage m25 instead on that one though)

Fantastic rifles. I've completely thrown my hat into the Weatherby ring.
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vanguards are not weatherby rifles ... they are made by Howa
 
pilot2001 said:
vanguards are not weatherby rifles ... they are made by Howa
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Howa makes many guns for alot of US Companies. The Mossberg 1500 is a Howa 1500. No isues with that. My S2 is obviously a long action (300 WBY) and it takes a Weaver tactical one piece base made for a Remington 700 long action. The recoil lugs and retention screws on the base align perfectly. Is the Remy 700 Howa made as well or does Howa use the 700's dimensions? If anyone has info on this, i'd like to know more.

-Jason
 
No the 700 is not Howa made( Remington wishes lol) But the top of the receiver is similar so bases are pretty much interchangeable, pretty much, if you go on Talley's website for example they have two different rings for those two rifles, I have heard of some people needing to shim the scope when interchanging the bases and rings, so they are not 100% identical, but still work for both rifles in a lot of situations. I don't think they share too many dimensions, aren't 700's round bottom receivers? Howas are flat bottomed and the recoil lug is intergral to the receiver, I believe the remmy is sandwiched? Howas have a larger extractor than the 700, I think, and the Howa bolt and handle is 1 piece but the remmy bolt handle is soldered on, I think, I don't own any remmy's so don't quote me. Once again if I've got anything wrong let me know somebody!

Howa also produced rifles for Smith & Wesson as the S&W 1500. So many people let these Mossbergs and S&W go by on the EE not realizing what they actually are, probably thinking they are POS. What a shame
 
Rem 700's have bin tried, tested and proven on the battle field and in compitition for 50+ years ... Im sure they dont give a sh*t about Howa's design, or what they think :)

Howa has definatly copied the Rem 700 design ... so has %70 of every custom action builder on the market ... Pierce , Borden , Stiller, Defiance, surgeon, Bat ... the list goes on.

You dont see guys pouring $3500 into a Howa Build

Howa is a good rifle, I shot lots of deer with mine. I personally loaded for mine and shot pleanty of .5 MOA groups out to 300 yards ... Ive never heard of one not shooting MOA
 
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I'm quite sure I wasn't actually serious about Remmy wishing their rifles were howa built.

There is a write up I came accross a while back about the history of the Vanguard/Howa. Google Vanguard History Part 1,2 & 3. Was a good read
 
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I'm quite sure I wasn't actually serious about Remmy wishing their rifles were howa built.

There is a write up I came accross a while back about the history of the Vanguard/Howa. Google Vanguard History Part 1,2 & 3. Was a good read
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I know a bit about Howa , they claim to have improved on the 700 action... They may have improved some of the features in there opinion. there was a couple things i noticed on my Howa that i liked more than the 700 design. Cant remeber what they were. Might have bin the bolt release... like i said not sure. But i remember there were things i liked.

In fact i think the weatherby story is that they actually high grade all howa's actions and then make sure they cut a nice chamber ... making for a higher quality Howa rifle... Hence the Sub MOA they advertise. Again , great rifles ... was pissed about the barrels rusting.

I dont think they are a Rem by any means

Oh ya ...Vangaurds have lousiest factory trigger i have ever touched ... By Far ! although im not a timney fan , i was able to get one for my vangaurd nice and crisp and dialed it dow to .5 pounds ... was an easy fix
 
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pilot2001 said:
Rem 700's have bin tried, tested and proven on the battle field and in compitition for 50+ years ... Im sure they dont give a sh*t about Howa's design, or what they think :)

Howa has definatly copied the Rem 700 design ... so has %70 of every custom action builder on the market ... Pierce , Borden , Stiller, Defiance, surgeon, Bat ... the list goes on.

You dont see guys pouring $3500 into a Howa Build


Howa is a good rifle, I shot lots of deer with mine. I personally loaded for mine and shot pleanty of .5 MOA groups out to 300 yards ... Ive never heard of one not shooting MOA
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Aren't Remington, Savage, Winchester, etc all copies in one form or another of a Mauser action?

-Jason
 
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Aren't Remington, Savage, Winchester, etc all copies in one form or another of a Mauser action?

-Jason
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A direct copy ? Maybe not, but the design characteristics of the original Mauser action can be found in almost any bolt action that came after.

700 was a modern ground up build by remington , was designed to compete with the mod 70 win in vietnam

i would say definatly the pre64 win is a mauser copy ... and maybe the ruger
 
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Ya they're great guns, but now pilot has me paranoid that mine are going to rust now, that's going to drive my ocd crazy. Hey notso, leave your new rifle outside in the rain all night and let us know what happens man.

pilot is that a blacktail in your avatar?...hijack
 
vanguards are not weatherby rifles ... they are made by Howa
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Mark Vs were also made by Howa for about 15 years, some people swear those were the best ones. Now they are made by Saco Defence.

There's next to nothing the same as between a 700 and a Vanguard, beyond useing the same bases and both having 2 lugs.

Ones a tube action with separate recoil lug, three piece bolt and C-clip extractor.

The other a is flat bottom action with integral lug, one piece bolt, and M-16 style extractor.

Yes, lots of custom actions are very similar to the Remington. It's a good design with some cost saving construction methods that likely made sense at the time.

You should check and price out the Nosler rifles and tell me they never got the s**t scared out of them by a Howa.

I've got a pile of all three, there's pluses and minuses either way.
 
hookedonblacktail said:
Ya they're great guns, but now pilot has me paranoid that mine are going to rust now, that's going to drive my ocd crazy. Hey notso, leave your new rifle outside in the rain all night and let us know what happens man.

pilot is that a blacktail in your avatar?...hijack
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Just dont think that you can get away with out oiling it everynight just because its stainless ... It was frusterating for me because , although im not all out scent control freak i am conscious of scent, and gun oil is very sweet smelling. To have to oil it every night really got under my skin. Especially when i got home after a 16 hour day in the rain and i just wanted to shower and sleep knowing i was going to be up at 4:30 the next morning to do it all again... having to oil my gun may seems like a minor chore but when your FK'n bagged from being in the timber all day... oiling my gun was the last thing on my mind when i walked in the door.

Ya ... this is my 2012 fall buck , by far my biggest blacktail to date. Your from Nanaimo so i dont have to explain how big ... 115 2/8 net and 117 1/8 gross is on the island. And its an alpine moutain buck ... not a farm deer

Honestly i feel that you have my name :) by far my favorite spieces to hunt

Again other than that ... i have to say Vangaurds are one of the best guns on the market for the money.
 
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Dogleg said:
Mark Vs were also made by Howa for about 15 years, some people swear those were the best ones. Now they are made by Saco Defence.

There's next to nothing the same as between a 700 and a Vanguard, beyond useing the same bases and both having 2 lugs.

Ones a tube action with separate recoil lug, three piece bolt and C-clip extractor.

The other a is flat bottom action with integral lug, one piece bolt, and M-16 style extractor.

Yes, lots of custom actions are very similar to the Remington. It's a good design with some cost saving construction methods that likely made sense at the time.

You should check and price out the Nosler rifles and tell me they never got the s**t scared out of them by a Howa.

I've got a pile of all three, there's pluses and minuses either way.
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Most people dont realize that weatherby is not a rifle company ... they are an ammunition company. Hence the reason why every 10 or 15 years you can look at a Mark V and see that it was made in a different country. The Mark V is obviously weatherby's own design, However weatherby has never made one. They always contract out there rifle production to other company's.
 
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