Thats not exactly true...a guy was charged with possession of prohibited devices for having un-pinned magazine bodies. In other words a piece of metal.
AR 15 auto selector
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Thats not exactly true...a guy was charged with possession of prohibited devices for having un-pinned magazine bodies. In other words a piece of metal.
Thanks for the answers. I'll look into Questar and NEA. Even though a full LPK would end up costly for just the selector.
About practical use, it gets the selector out of the way of the trigger finger if you are left handed. And any way, many of the ar 15 accessories I see don't have much of a practical use. To each his own.
And to be clear, I never talked about an auto sear and I'm not looking for that.
About practical use, it gets the selector out of the way of the trigger finger if you are left handed. And any way, many of the ar 15 accessories I see don't have much of a practical use. To each his own.
And to be clear, I never talked about an auto sear and I'm not looking for that.
And a F/A selector can be installed and used just fine in a semi-auto... so it's fine.
And yes possession of a prohibited device is still possession of a prohibited device, regardless of whether it's installed.
To clarify what was said... the question is not whether the part is made for a full-auto, it's whether the part MAKES the gun full-auto. E.g., a charging handle off a Browning M2 is not a prohibited device. The part has to be integral to automatic fire.
While the F/A selector on an M16/M4 needs to be in the giggle position for the gun to fire automatically, it's the receiver and auto sear that are the actual integral parts to the mechanism; having the selector won't get you there, nor will a F/A bolt carrier. Plus the receiver IS the gun, so any AR receiver that has the required structures to accept an M16/M4 auto sear is considered an M16 variant receiver and hence prohibited. Drop in auto-sears convert existing guns to full-auto and hence are prohibited devices in and of themselves.
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The TRUE legality issues aside, given the extraordinarily high number of law enforcement officers who are totally ignorant of the firearms laws, is it really worth the hassle 1 could get if 1 were stopped and the gun inspected roadside?
I fully understand that the cops can not know all the laws regarding all the things they have to deal with, but in today's age it seems there is a large number of charges laid with the "let the crown and judge sort it out" mentality.
For a front line officer to encounter a "evil looking" rifle that is "known" to be easily converted to F/A (ask anyone who ever watched the news) and that has the F/A selector in it is just asking for a hassle.
There recently was an incident in Calgary where a fellow was stopped while in possession of a Swiss Arms Black Special which is a NON restricted firearm. He is going through the legal system because the officer who stopped him for an unrelated reason was ignorant of the firearms laws and laid charges. Despite doing nothing wrong this fellow will have significant legal bills to deal with and will likely be dealing with this for some time. Being as firearms charges are reason for being refused entry to the USA, this will impact him for a long long time.
I guess where I am going here is 1 has to themselves just how much hassle and expense does 1 really want to deal with for the sake of looking cool?
It really is sad that 1 has to look at things this way, but welcome to the 21st century.
I fully understand that the cops can not know all the laws regarding all the things they have to deal with, but in today's age it seems there is a large number of charges laid with the "let the crown and judge sort it out" mentality.
For a front line officer to encounter a "evil looking" rifle that is "known" to be easily converted to F/A (ask anyone who ever watched the news) and that has the F/A selector in it is just asking for a hassle.
There recently was an incident in Calgary where a fellow was stopped while in possession of a Swiss Arms Black Special which is a NON restricted firearm. He is going through the legal system because the officer who stopped him for an unrelated reason was ignorant of the firearms laws and laid charges. Despite doing nothing wrong this fellow will have significant legal bills to deal with and will likely be dealing with this for some time. Being as firearms charges are reason for being refused entry to the USA, this will impact him for a long long time.
I guess where I am going here is 1 has to themselves just how much hassle and expense does 1 really want to deal with for the sake of looking cool?
It really is sad that 1 has to look at things this way, but welcome to the 21st century.
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In short YES you could. IF you get a cop who in not up to speed on the gun laws and opts to let the lawyers and courts sort it out.
FWIW NWEST and the RCMP are aware that NEA is doing this, my understanding is that at this point it IS legal for them to sell guns with these parts installed. HOWEVER how many guys are going to make lawyers richer for defending them from charges laid by LE authorities who are not gun experts, all because a manufacturer is setting them up for problems?
I don't own a NEA but you sure it comes with a M16 disconnector ( and Trigger ...since a M16 disconnector's tail would not clear a semi trigger since it doesn't have the opening to do so ) and selector ? I am suprised because this means the auto selector can push the disconnector so it does not catch the hammer after the carrier recocks it
This will cause the hammer to follow the carrier back ( unless you have notched hammer were it just binds )
Not good
The reason a FA selector is pointless in a semi is without the tailed disconnector it has nothing to push down on in auto
Thats the purpose of the auto sear BTW . It holds the hammer back ( catches the "hook" of a M16 hammer ) so the carrier can go back into battery before its released ( by the back of the carrier as it goes by ). It essentially delays the release of the hammer. Contrary to common misconception, the auto sear has nothing to do with making a firearm run full auto, it just ensures it does not ride the carrier home ( fire out of battery, light primer strike etc )
A semi carrier has this material removed so it does not extend forward enough to let the auto sear release the hammer
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So if you put selector to auto ( assume you have the lower off the upper ) and pull trigger ....keep pulling....then manually pull your hammer back and let go ( keep pulling trigger ! ) is it caught by the disconnector ?
BTW, when you release trigger it should then catch the triggers / hammer sear surface ( the click you hear when you release trigger )
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yup its caught by the disconnector. it seems to be nea just shortens the "tail" on their m-16 disconnectors a bit instead of making new ones for the civilian market. after looking closer it just doest look as long as m16 disconnectors in pictures but does have the "tail"
no worries. now i know never to replace it with a real m-16 disconnector...lol
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The NEA guns I have seen have all the M16 fire control parts and bolts less the secondary timing device commonly known as the auto sear, the disconnect looks like the "tail" was ground down to shorten it so as to keep it from being depressed allowing the gun "run on" when the selector in in the F/A position.
