Nosler has revamped the Accubond for 2013.

track said:
Why all the hype about these high BC hunting bullets? Boat tails and high BC bullets shine only after 300 yards. So who shoots animals all the time beyond 300 yards? I've taken alittle over 160 big game animals and the furthest shot was 310 paces. I love Nosler bullets and that's all I reload, but come-on guys................convince me that they will make you a better shooter/hunter.
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Or maybe... I just want to do some load development for 500 plus yard target shooting, and this didnt really have a lot to do with making me a better shooter with fancy ammo or trying to be a long range hunter. Maybe I just want to try it out and see how it performs myself, instead of being one of those tools who nay says anything new that comes out. Fawk!

Thanks for all the "not" help there track, and thanks to pbonura for the "real" help!
 
I do intend to try out the new .264" bullet, and possibly the 150gr -.284" bullet as well. If they shoot well in my rifles, they should be excellent for deer sized game.
 
track said:
Why all the hype about these high BC hunting bullets? Boat tails and high BC bullets shine only after 300 yards. So who shoots animals all the time beyond 300 yards? I've taken alittle over 160 big game animals and the furthest shot was 310 paces. I love Nosler bullets and that's all I reload, but come-on guys................convince me that they will make you a better shooter/hunter.
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Its hard to find a load or rifle so crappy that it wouldnt make a max 300 yard hunting rifle. Do you need your Coopers to shoot 200? How does that help? Obviously the high BC bullets are for something you aren't doing.
 
I'm not trying to jump on a hate-train against track here, but in fairness some of our ancestors have hunted with 22's, and others with traditional bows and spears. Why do we need modern center-fire rifle cartridges at all that can take game at 200 yards, or even 100 yards? Convince me that they will make you a better hunter.

That being said, shooting as a sport and specifically hunting is and has always been in a state of evolution, some choose to embrace it, and others choose to stay stuck in their ways, but at the end of the day you cannot deny that it is changing just as it always has. Long range hunting is the next step, and gaining popularity every year, and I doubt it is a 'trend' that will fade away. Factory rifles that can shoot MOA are the standard more than the exception now-adays, so it only makes sense that the bullet makers would keep up with them.

These bullets are not going to be for everyone. Neither is bow-hunting, and such is life.
 
I think these bullets will be a hit if the bc are close to the nosler data. A 210 down a 300 win mag with a bc of .731 is going to be a great bullet. I am going to pick a box of the 210 and try them in the 300. Having the extra range of a high bc bullet with the right scope and alot of practice can only help the hunter. Times and technology are changing and we should embrace change.
 
I'm not trying to jump on a hate-train against track here,
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I'm not hating anyone, esp Track. All I'm doing is pointing out that although a particular set of bullet characteristics may not be of any benefit to him, neither are some rifle characteristics that he obviously does value. That doesn't mean that they aren't important in a different application for a different person.
 
If the BC's are close to advertised, the new LRNAB bullets will be a fantastic hunting bullet. Bonding helps keep the bullet together up close, high BC and plastic tip for long shots.

I'll try the 190gr in my 300WSM and the 129gr in my .260
 
track said:
Why all the hype about these high BC hunting bullets? Boat tails and high BC bullets shine only after 300 yards. So who shoots animals all the time beyond 300 yards? I've taken alittle over 160 big game animals and the furthest shot was 310 paces. I love Nosler bullets and that's all I reload, but come-on guys................convince me that they will make you a better shooter/hunter.
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Um yeah , if these numbers are accurate ... The 168 accubond i run in my 300wsm only carries enough energy to kill at 600 yards with my velocities. Now i might have enough energy at 800 or 1000. My longest shot on game is 733 yards. I took a buck with my 7mm. This is a big deal for both my rifles. I personally dont think the VLD's are that great of hunting a bullet compared to the accubond. But i need the energy.

We will see what happens. I hope these numbers are true. This is going to extend the range of my 300wsm and i might have a higher quality hunting bullet with same energy performance in my 7mm.

This will be a big deal for me if these numbers are true true.
 
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Dogleg said:
Its hard to find a load or rifle so crappy that it wouldnt make a max 300 yard hunting rifle. Do you need your Coopers to shoot 200? How does that help? Obviously the high BC bullets are for something you aren't doing.
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I guess that it comes down to need or want................to each their own.
 
Does anyone know if they have changed to a lighter construction? If not then all I have to say is WHY? I haven't run numbers but I would think the decrease in drag would extend the effective range of these bullets very little. The accubond needs speed to transfer energy and kill properly. If the new bullet is going to replace the accubond line then it may as well be as good as it can be..wouldn't make sense for them to offer both though.
 
^ Yes they have. They are designed to initiate expansion at velocities lower than the original AB. You can compare the two here: http://www.nosler.com/Bullets/AccuBond_LongRange.aspx http://www.nosler.com/bullets/accubond.aspx

Accubond minimum velocity: 1800 FPS
Accubond LR minimum velocity: 1300 FPS

I will be impressed if the bullet actually holds up at close range, since it's able to expand at such low velocities.

If you look at the two bullets on their website, there are some pretty big differences. The Accubond LR's have a much deeper and broader hollowpoint und the tip, which will help initiate faster expansion, and the jacket stays thin for longer down the ogive, with a definitive transition into the thicker base, where the original AB gently tapers towards the thicker base jacket.

I have a feeling it will lose a fair amount more weight than the original AB at short ranges.
 
track said:
Why all the hype about these high BC hunting bullets? Boat tails and high BC bullets shine only after 300 yards. So who shoots animals all the time beyond 300 yards? I've taken alittle over 160 big game animals and the furthest shot was 310 paces. I love Nosler bullets and that's all I reload, but come-on guys................convince me that they will make you a better shooter/hunter.
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C'mon track...no one is suggesting these bullets will make one a better shooter or hunter.
But innovation is a good thing, and if trajectory is flattened somewhat and LR energy figures are up, why not??

I agree, at 310 paces, there is little need for a super-sleek projectile.
But what about some of us who do get presented with longer shots, and are prepared to take them?

My animal count is considerably larger than yours, and I have taken at least two dozen animals on the far side of 450 yards.
I do not prefer these long shots, but am prepared to take them if I deem it viable to do so.

At least this new Nosler offering is a true Hunting bullet, not a wanna-be like another bullet out there being touted as such.

Regards, Eagleye.
 
There just is no downside to a higher BC if the construction remains viable as a hunting bullet. I have used AB in all calibers of my rifles that will shoot them and found them to be a very effective hunting bullet. Given the same performance and a significant increase in BC, where's the downside? Can't understand why anyone would argue against a higher BC, if nothing else, and you never shoot beyond 3-400 mtrs, the bullet arrives with greater velocity and energy and will expand that much better and impart it's energy to the animal that much better. Like I said before, where's the downside?
 
Plus as an up-side, they're packaged in 100 Ct boxes, and are actually cheaper than the standard AB's, at least as far as Omineca's pre-buy pricing was concerned.
 
Eagleye said:
C'mon track...no one is suggesting these bullets will make one a better shooter or hunter.
But innovation is a good thing, and if trajectory is flattened somewhat and LR energy figures are up, why not??

I agree, at 310 paces, there is little need for a super-sleek projectile.
But what about some of us who do get presented with longer shots, and are prepared to take them?

My animal count is considerably larger than yours, and I have taken at least two dozen animals on the far side of 450 yards.
I do not prefer these long shots, but am prepared to take them if I deem it viable to do so.

At least this new Nosler offering is a true Hunting bullet, not a wanna-be like another bullet out there being touted as such.

Regards, Eagleye.
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The truth be known, I'm not an avocate of extreme long range killing. The reasons why, "wounded or lost game, plus long range shooting is not hunting, it's just shooting." Witnessed and heard of to many of these horror stories. It's not the way I hunt nor do I avocate it............my reasons are justified. BTW Eagleye, I just don't shoot any animal, I hunt trophies..............haven't shot a female in decades nor a sub-standard male.

The touted bullet, I'll say it, "Berger"............might as well be shooting/hunting with a SMK.
 
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track said:
The truth be known, I'm not an avocate of extreme long range killing. The reasons why, "wounded or lost game, plus long range shooting is not hunting, it's just shooting." Witnessed and heard of to many of these horror stories. It's not the way I hunt nor do I avocate it............my reasons are justified.
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Nor am I an advocate of extreme long range "shooting" of animals.
I have my set limits as well, they are just a bit further out than your original "long" shot of 310 paces. :)
I have watched some of the LR videos, and am not impressed by most of them.
Eagleye.
 
Eagleye said:
Nor am I an advocate of extreme long range "shooting" of animals.
I have my set limits as well, they are just a bit further out than your original "long" shot of 310 paces. :)
I have watched some of the LR videos, and am not impressed by most of them.
Eagleye.
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I hear ya Eagleye. At least two years ago I cancelled Wild TV for many reasons, one of course, an extreme long range killing/shooting show. Another main reason is that most shows had 20 minutes of commercials, five minutes of "how to do it" one minute of hunting and four minutes of yepping, high fives, back slapping, gloating over a 110 whitetail buck. Unfortunately many viewers are consumed with these shows. I've had many opportunities to take 500 yard plus shots at animals and chose to stalk instead of just pulling the trigger...............pulling the trigger is just to easy and not rewarding.
 
If I was 500+ yards away from a moose, that happened to be standing in the back of my pick-up when I looked back, I would probably shoot it where it stood. Other than that I prefer to call them closer or stalk to within 150- yards.
 
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