Norc M14... Convince me it's worth it....

mlehtovaara said:
Alright guys, I need to know what the deal is with these M14's.

Anyways, what needs to be changed to make these an accurate, and reliable gun?

I am planning on sticking to Irons, and have no interest in scoping it if that means anything.
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Sticking to Irons, and wanting accuracy to a minimum of 2". With ANY rifle, that'd be a tall order.

I shoot iron sights and at 100 yards, a 2" grouping is a hard feat without the use of bi-pods or a stationary rest. With target peeps, it is a little easier.

The peep diameter on the shorty is quite large for that kind of guarantee without careful bench resting. I know, I have done that with my M14 to determine the accuracy of the rifle (an it is accurate as hell) but when you start shooting offhand, or resting against a tree branch - different story. The gongs will go down at 100 yards, just not in 2" groups.

My experience with my Poly was impressive reliability - just hard on cases, so I tweaked it with a USGI bolt, oprod and springs.

From what you describe, it may be best for you to just buy a $1,000 bolt gun with irons and be done with it. It will be lighter than the shorty for hunting purposes. For a semi, it is hard to beat it, but your expectations are not altogether realistic - with any rifle.
 
I respect what Ardent is saying but we all don't have a bottomless bank accounts. If you are in my boat, love to shoot but... Have a wife, kids, mortgage, loan payments ect... The Norc is a great option for the budget minded shooter. My wife would cut my gonads off if I dropped 2 Large on a rifle. My rifle is awesome, I love it, all I have done is put a USGI fibreglass stock, new spring guide, and recoil buffer. All fairly cheap upgrades. It is a fun rifle to work on with a ton of available upgrades when money permits. If you can afford it, I am sure an M1a is the way to go, but you can buy 4 Norc's for the price of 1 M1a.
 
Travis Bickle said:
I have put almost 1000 rnds through mine.

I'm not exagerating, I have never had a stoppage or issue of any kind.

Using quality ammuntion I can get 1"-1.5" groups at 100 meters using the irons. I hate scopes lol I only shoot irons so I hear you there.

They are definitely worth it Sir.
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Travis I believe your results are common with most of these rifles. Reliability is superb, you can obviously shoot a rifle, so the platform's accuracy does not suffer any disgrace simply from poor marksmanship.
 
mlehtovaara said:
Alright guys, I need to know what the deal is with these M14's.

I am looking at the new Shorty M14's with alot of interest these days, and don't know what to think about them. The finish sucks, but I can live with that, but there is the occasional reports of accuracy issues, and bad ones escaping the factory.

I am thinking my next rifle purchase is going to be one of these, and I will start reloading .308 for it, as well as the next big game rifle I have in mind for hunting purposes. Makes sense to have both guns in the same calibre, and if I can reload why not......

Anyways, what needs to be changed to make these an accurate, and reliable gun?

I am planning on sticking to Irons, and have no interest in scoping it if that means anything.

I know Hungry says "don't buy one, buy two" but I am not interested in throwing a whole bunch of money at this gun! I can buy a hell of alot nicer gun for $1000 so I don't want to spend that!

I will not be happy with 4-6 inch groups at 100m! If it doesn't shoot 2 inches I don't want it.

I guess I just need to know if I am out to lunch on my expectations, so I can give up the idea........

Thanks for the help.
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I suggest you consider Israeli Mauser.

They do come available on EE from time to time.

I would say it is better rifle, for similar amount of money.


Any thoughts on this from others?
 
Took mine out for the first time with the archangel stock and at 50 yards the longest my range has I was hitting bullseye and the grouping was quarter sized
 
RememberTheSomme said:
Travis I believe your results are common with most of these rifles. Reliability is superb, you can obviously shoot a rifle, so the platform's accuracy does not suffer any disgrace simply from poor marksmanship.
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I should clarify though;
Those were the best groups I ever shot with mine. Using very good ammunition. Resting on a sandbag from the prone with irons.
With cheaper ammo and an average patience level on a good day it can easily do anywhere from 2"-4" as a standard and I'm no great shot either. Average at best.

But again like most people have echoed on here, it's a very reliable battle rifle with moderate to good accuracy without lots of tweaking and a lot of money spent.

If I wanted a really accurate tack driving rifle I would personally just buy a Remington 700 in .270 for a lot less money than it costs to get mediocre accuracy out of a loose semi auto, piston driven battle rifle though lol
 
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