ORA's CQB Matches - Getting ready...

Yeah, your AR-15 would be considered a Service Rifle from the context of the competitions we are discussion here. Service Rifle is a competitive shooting event conducted typically with rifles of pattern consistent with what would be commonly issued to members of the military. It's actually a pretty broad definition. Currently the AR-15 is the most common firearm used.

A Service Rifle event typically conducted between 100-500 yards/metres (but can include shorter distances) and competitors shoot various target exposures (deliberates - slow fire, snaps - target exposed for a short time period, rapids - a series of multiple shots in a small time frame, movers - shooting at targets moving left and right) all in various shooting positions (standing, kneeling, sitting, prone) and can include movement prior to a target engagement (starting a short distance behind the firing line, advance, take your shooting position, engage the target) or a run down (run say 100 yards/m to the next firing line, take your shooting position, engage the target).

Targets are manipulated down range by participants not actively shooting and everybody rotates through the butts to have a turn.

CQB is a similar yet very different animal. It is shot at shorter ranges (35 yds max), does not have rundowns or the same variety of shooting positions and includes pistol shooting with transition from your primary (rifle) to your secondary (pistol) weapon system. Targets are fixed in place as CQB is current shot normally on ranges that don't have a target butts area.

That is a quick and dirty description that will probably lead to more questions....but I hope that I helped a bit.
 
This season fee is paid at the event. You don't have to pay to book or be on the standby list BUT......Once your are confirmed to attend by the MD , you are obligated to pay the fee, even if you have back out. The MD will detail this all out for you via email.

The championship event, CQB M7, is different and participants will be required to pay ahead to reserve their spot. Again, the MD will be detailing this to participants via email.
 
what's the best drop leg platform out there? I've seen people putting their handgun around their chest area just like the pictures on this thread, but I think I am more interested on the drop leg platform.

Any suggestions? :) Also need suggestion on holsters
 
Leg rigs suck..lol
Look for a low ride belt holster. The Bladetech DOH or if you want retention a 5.11 thumb drive with the DOH mount or a safari land 6004 moved up as high as you can so its not riding like a leg rig.
 
bacardi said:
what's the best drop leg platform out there? I've seen people putting their handgun around their chest area just like the pictures on this thread, but I think I am more interested on the drop leg platform.

Any suggestions? :) Also need suggestion on holsters
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You need something with good retention for cqb. I run a Serpa drop leg. Works great . You are always drawing with no round in the chamber so ignore all the negative web rumour.

Other good options would be a safariland with retention in a drop leg.

Also drop offset holsters work well as they still clear chest rigs
 
PapaHotel01 said:
Leg rigs suck..lol
Look for a low ride belt holster. The Bladetech DOH or if you want retention a 5.11 thumb drive with the DOH mount or a safari land 6004 moved up as high as you can so its not riding like a leg rig.
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DOH is a " drop offset holster" and I would go with that if I was starting from scratch
 
Canadian eh! said:
Honestly for the difference in total price if you want a drop leg, get the Serpa . I run a sig 226 in mine no issues .

It is the tactical level 2 retention model comes assembled
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So the Serpa is bit more expensive......but my question is what's the difference between the Serpa and the Sig ones? Pros and cons?

Some people here said leg rigs are suck, and instead suggesting to get something higher? Why? Are leg rigs not suitable for CQB? Pros and cons?
Since the leg rigs can be adjust in height, I guess we can set it up as high as we can no?
 
bacardi said:
So the Serpa is bit more expensive......but my question is what's the difference between the Serpa and the Sig ones? Pros and cons?

Some people here said leg rigs are suck, and instead suggesting to get something higher? Why? Are leg rigs not suitable for CQB? Pros and cons?
Since the leg rigs can be adjust in height, I guess we can set it up as high as we can no?
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Okay. I have not compared the two side by side, my impression is that it is a lower quality piece than the Serpa. Basically someone makes it for Sig. I am more of a buy once but it for life type guy.

The gentleman replying that drop legs suck is the pistol instructor running tomorrow's clinic for cqb. So he has a well informed opinion of what works. Basically the cons are you end up with a bunch of weight moving around low on your thigh. It's awkward when running etc. and tou have curther to draw to brin the handgun up to the sightline. having said that a high percentage of competitors are running leg rigs and are happy with them. You cannot go too wrong frankly, get something get out and have some fun! You can figure out your gear as you go, see it in use and decide what you like best.
 
bacardi said:
So the Serpa is bit more expensive......but my question is what's the difference between the Serpa and the Sig ones? Pros and cons?

Some people here said leg rigs are suck, and instead suggesting to get something higher? Why? Are leg rigs not suitable for CQB? Pros and cons?
Since the leg rigs can be adjust in height, I guess we can set it up as high as we can no?
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The down sides to the Serpa on a leg rig are Serpa are these:

1) Other shooting sports such as IDPA and IPSC don't allow a leg rig
2) Some people get all worried about the Serpa release button leading to people inadvertently putting their finger in the trigger guard on the draw, before the gun is brought up to target and ready to fire
3) PapaHotel is probably right about a leg rig being harder to access than a belt mounted holster. I've never bothered to try side by side but he is a very reputable source of information IMO

That being said, I run a Serpa in a leg rig for CQB. That is what I started with and I don't really shoot IDPA and IPSC so it it doesn't really matter to me that my leg rig is not allowed for those games.

Might be best go with a Bladetech DOH. Level 1 retention only but from what I have seen that should be good enough for CQB. I have a Bladetech too and I would be confident to run it if I had the DO mount for it. Might get it someday.
 
I have a CZ Shadow and use an IMI Defense Holster, it has retention as the Serpa but with a better design. There are many accessories (paddle, regular belt, Molle, drop leg) to hold the holster but my preferred one is the Low Ride Belt Loop. It's kind of the Bladetech DOH but with an even lower setting. It is IMHO the best of both worlds: stability of a belt holster and being low enough not to interfere with your tactical vest (if you are wearing one).

IMI Defense Retention Holster
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Low Ride Belt Loop
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Drop Leg
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PapaHotel01 said:
Leg rigs suck..lol
Look for a low ride belt holster. The Bladetech DOH or if you want retention a 5.11 thumb drive with the DOH mount or a safari land 6004 moved up as high as you can so its not riding like a leg rig.
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If I had to choose a drop leg unit, I would prefer the 6004 or 6005 Safariland with the SINGLE strap shroud or cut down your double strap unit into a single (lower) strap setup and have it seated nice and high off your rigger or instructor belt.

Now back to the drop leg, I do have them and wear them occasionally, but I prefer my holster on my vest because I'm worried about 'fishing' for my pistol at the bottom of the blue shztter at Langemark Range, CFB Borden. The drop leg rigs are a PITA for those moments when Nature Calls and you have to drop a deuce. The last thing you need is me yelling, "Desert Eager, number ONE!"

Seems to be a popular cheer at CQB events in Ontario! :cool:


Hey, my Serpa should be here soon, and yes we don't bother loading the chamber until after the pistol is drawn so I think my #### won't get shot off. :evil:

Cheers,
Barney
 
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