Enfield No 2 Mark 1
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these revolvers were origianaly made to fire in single or double action mode
they were later returned to the armories where they had the spurs ground off
and the bent ground off so that they could fire only in double action mode
they did this so that the guns would'nt fire accidentaly when snagging on things
yes the tankers had them as well as many other units
i had the bent rebuilt on mine so it can fire single action again
i never had the spur redone. it's a bit tricky to ####, gotta be extra carefull
not to drop the hammer when cocking. and gotta make extra sure to keep
my finger well off the trigger when doing it.
they shoot very well with practice.
also part of the reasoning behind them doing this was the fact that it was a short range
last ditch defensive weopon and that just pointing and pulling the trigger was good enough.
they were later returned to the armories where they had the spurs ground off
and the bent ground off so that they could fire only in double action mode
they did this so that the guns would'nt fire accidentaly when snagging on things
yes the tankers had them as well as many other units
i had the bent rebuilt on mine so it can fire single action again
i never had the spur redone. it's a bit tricky to ####, gotta be extra carefull
not to drop the hammer when cocking. and gotta make extra sure to keep
my finger well off the trigger when doing it.
they shoot very well with practice.
also part of the reasoning behind them doing this was the fact that it was a short range
last ditch defensive weopon and that just pointing and pulling the trigger was good enough.
They were developed to use the old .38 Smith & Wesson cartridge, but with a special load developed from the Webley "Manstopper" soft-lead cup-point bullet.
Original military loads used a rounded-nose nearly-cylindrical lead bullet of 200 grains weight at a bit over 600 ft/sec. This was later changed to a 178-grain round-nosed FMJ type and called the ".380 Mark II Revolver" round.
The same cartridge was also used in all those Webley Mark IV WW2 revolvers and in all the .38 S&W revolvers we bought from Smith & Wesson. Because the normal American loading for the .38S&W cartridge was a 146-grain bullet, the pitch of the rifling was special to these guns. Smith & Wesson referred to the guns made on contract for us as the Model 10-200 in recognition of the different rifling pitch of the barrels.
The guns - all of them - are fun to shoot and they can often be very accurate.
The biggest problem is that they all shoot LOW owing to insufficient barrel flip with the lighter bullets, which are the only ones available. Nobody, it seems, wants to make a 200-grain .38 bullet, despite the very large numbers of these excellent guns which have been dumped on the market. To add insult to injury, nobody even wants to make a 200-grain mould for a pistol; the only 200-grain .358 moulds available clearly are designed for rifle use. I have been suggesting this and b*tching about it for over 30 years and, so far, have yet even to receive the courtesy of a letter telling me to go f--- myself. They just are NOT interested.
The problem is that it was never a US military cartridge, else we would be inundated with bullets and moulds and hundreds of magazine articles proclaiming it the best thing since sliced bread. American manufacturers have never twigged to the little fact that the British Commonwealth ALSO was in that war. After all, the Commonwealth was ONLY a quarter of the world: nothing important at all.
The fact is that the little old .38S&W loaded with a 180-to-200-grain bullet IS an effective stopper. It is also quite accurate.
If you get yourself one of these historic pieces, I would suggest you change-out the front-sight blade and make and install a lower one which brings the muzzle UP about 16 inches on your 25-yard target. You do not mutilate the original blade and you DO keep it safe because it is original to the gun.
But you are now shooting a safe, dependable, reliable, inexpensive and ACCURATE piece which has a LOAD of combat history behind it.
For a cheap load which shoots well, try 2.1 (two-point-one) grains of Bullseye with a 158-grain SWC seated to the OAL of a Ball Mk. IIz round. If you run your own slugs, these cost about $3 a box to load up. That's .22 prices for something a LOT more fun. This is a safe load which groups well in all of mine: a Webley, a Smith and 3 different Enfields: Mark 1, Mark 1* and Mark 1**/1*.
Go have fun!
Original military loads used a rounded-nose nearly-cylindrical lead bullet of 200 grains weight at a bit over 600 ft/sec. This was later changed to a 178-grain round-nosed FMJ type and called the ".380 Mark II Revolver" round.
The same cartridge was also used in all those Webley Mark IV WW2 revolvers and in all the .38 S&W revolvers we bought from Smith & Wesson. Because the normal American loading for the .38S&W cartridge was a 146-grain bullet, the pitch of the rifling was special to these guns. Smith & Wesson referred to the guns made on contract for us as the Model 10-200 in recognition of the different rifling pitch of the barrels.
The guns - all of them - are fun to shoot and they can often be very accurate.
The biggest problem is that they all shoot LOW owing to insufficient barrel flip with the lighter bullets, which are the only ones available. Nobody, it seems, wants to make a 200-grain .38 bullet, despite the very large numbers of these excellent guns which have been dumped on the market. To add insult to injury, nobody even wants to make a 200-grain mould for a pistol; the only 200-grain .358 moulds available clearly are designed for rifle use. I have been suggesting this and b*tching about it for over 30 years and, so far, have yet even to receive the courtesy of a letter telling me to go f--- myself. They just are NOT interested.
The problem is that it was never a US military cartridge, else we would be inundated with bullets and moulds and hundreds of magazine articles proclaiming it the best thing since sliced bread. American manufacturers have never twigged to the little fact that the British Commonwealth ALSO was in that war. After all, the Commonwealth was ONLY a quarter of the world: nothing important at all.
The fact is that the little old .38S&W loaded with a 180-to-200-grain bullet IS an effective stopper. It is also quite accurate.
If you get yourself one of these historic pieces, I would suggest you change-out the front-sight blade and make and install a lower one which brings the muzzle UP about 16 inches on your 25-yard target. You do not mutilate the original blade and you DO keep it safe because it is original to the gun.
But you are now shooting a safe, dependable, reliable, inexpensive and ACCURATE piece which has a LOAD of combat history behind it.
For a cheap load which shoots well, try 2.1 (two-point-one) grains of Bullseye with a 158-grain SWC seated to the OAL of a Ball Mk. IIz round. If you run your own slugs, these cost about $3 a box to load up. That's .22 prices for something a LOT more fun. This is a safe load which groups well in all of mine: a Webley, a Smith and 3 different Enfields: Mark 1, Mark 1* and Mark 1**/1*.
Go have fun!
If you get yourself one of these historic pieces, I would suggest you change-out the front-sight blade and make and install a lower one which brings the muzzle UP about 16 inches on your 25-yard target. You do not mutilate the original blade and you DO keep it safe because it is original to the gun. (quoted from smellie)
my buddies and i bought some together from check mate years ago
they all came with a rear sight that just clipped on to the top strap by the spring tension of the clip itself
i have never seen these any where else. nor have i read anything about them anywhere.
it would be fun to know if it was a military thing or an after market thing.
my buddies and i bought some together from check mate years ago
they all came with a rear sight that just clipped on to the top strap by the spring tension of the clip itself
i have never seen these any where else. nor have i read anything about them anywhere.
it would be fun to know if it was a military thing or an after market thing.
i lost mine.
now dont get too mad smellie it's true confessions time for me.
now i did this in the days leading up to the grandfathering time
when they prohibed my h and r revolver and my ishapur a1
in those day a lot of milsurp firearms that were for sale were advertized
as good for making sporters
so. i took a part off the rear site of my 49 fn turned it into an open site
fixed it to the top strap of my revolver making it windage adjustable
then i fixed up the front site with a couple of screws making it elevation adjustable
now you can beat me whip me flame me treat me like the prick i am then get off.
