BX-25 made by ruger

[hoytcanon]

You might want to check on that...Dlask just went through this by offering up the Colt M4 30 round mags (in .22LR) for their HK416 pistol (also .22LR)...they were told no problem.

That would not be consistent with the BX-25 ban rationale...

Why do you think the BX-25's were banned??? Because you can't have a 25 shot capacity mag in a pistol... there is no differentiation between centerfire and rimfire in this regard... they do differentiate between CF and RF long guns.

This is definitely not something that I would want to leave to the interpretation of a field officer.

 

[fnrob]

That is NOT correct... the instant you stick a 25 shot 10/22 mag into your restricted Charger pistol it becomes PROHIBITED... make sure that your Charger mags are either 10 shot mags or "pinned" to 10 shots, BEFORE they are inserted into the mag well... or at least that you are all ALONE at the range.

OneTweezy and Brordo ARE correct on this! Read the RMCP bulletin on this matter.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

Purpose

The purpose of this bulletin is to provide greater clarity on the maximum permitted capacity of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for use in more than one kind of firearm. Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm.

The Butler Creek mags are marketed as being DESIGNED only for the 10/22 RIFLE, NOTthe Charger PISTOL, so they fall under part 4 of the bulletin, NOT part 1. It is the same type of situation as the LAR-15 mags, just the other side of the coin.

4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.

The BX-25 mags however, DO fall under part 1 of the bulletin because Ruger says in their advertising literature that they were made for BOTH the 10/22 AND Charger.

1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both rimfire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.
Example:
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 rifle and 15-22P pistol chambered for 22LR caliber:

• the 10 round magazine is unregulated
• the 25 round magazine is a prohibited device

 

[fnrob]

Why do you think the BX-25's were banned??? Because you can't have a 25 shot capacity pistol mag

Fixed it for you. There is a big difference between having a magazine designed for a pistol that holds 25 rounds, and having a legal 25 round magazine designed for a rifle and using it in a pistol.

 

[hoytcanon]

OneTweezy and Brordo ARE correct on this! Read the RMCP bulletin on this matter.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm




The Butler Creek mags are marketed as being DESIGNED only for the 10/22 RIFLE, NOTthe Charger PISTOL, so they fall under part 4 of the bulletin, NOT part 1. It is the same type of situation as the LAR-15 mags, just the other side of the coin.




The BX-25 mags however, DO fall under part 1 of the bulletin because Ruger says in their advertising literature that they were made for BOTH the 10/22 AND Charger.

If I am wrong in this... as it appears that I may be from those clauses (which I will look in to further)... I know what it means... I am buying a CARGER pistol ASAP! Of course this makes NO sense... but then so much of the firearms regulations make NO sense...

 

[mmattockx]

Lol the only people that will get you amazingly enough is your friendly neighborhood Fudd at your local range... again we are our own worst enemy.

Been through this experience myself with Promags with the cover removed and with black Butler creeks.

No one else will care... but your milage may vary ;-)

There is nothing a fudd can get you with on those mags, they are completely legal. Or were they accusing you of having BX-25's when they weren't?

Ruger has been approached on many occasions to repackage the BX25 for Cdn markets. Unfortunately being such a sliver of Rugers market, we'll never see that favour.

I can't imagine that packaging will matter now. The RCMP have decreed they are pistol mags and a change in a label won't change that. If Ruger came out with a new rifle only mag that had a different part number, then it may not be limited. Keeping the same model and part #'s but changing the packaging won't change anything in the eyes of the RCMP.

So then technically you should be able to stick a butler creek 25 rnd mag in the 10/22 charger and the only reason its not prohib is because its advertised only as a magazine for the rifle only?

It is not limited to 10 rounds because it is a rifle mag. What it is being used in is irrelevant, magazines are classified according to what firearm they are designed to be used in (and what calibre they are designed for).

That is hilariously stupid.

I wouldn't call it hilarious, but it certainly is short bus retarded.

That is NOT correct...

If I am wrong in this...

You are most definitely wrong on this. Mags are classified according to the gun they were DESIGNED for. What you actually use it in makes no difference, the RCMP bulletin is very clear on that.


Mark

 

[hoytcanon]

You are most definitely wrong on this. Mags are classified according to the gun they were DESIGNED for. What you actually use it in makes no difference, the RCMP bulletin is very clear on that. Mark

That is assinine... and I am getting a Charger.

 

[Thorvald]

There is nothing a fudd can get you with on those mags, they are completely legal. Or were they accusing you of having BX-25's when they weren't?

Yep correct on that count, ran into a real winner that time.

 

[OneTweezey]

There's a good link in this thread if anyone is still interested in reading more.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...49-Legalities-of-10-round-magazines-in-Rifles

 

[jdawg]

Was in the states last weekend and saw that there is a new version of the bx-25 mag. It is called the bx-25 x2 and is 2 bx-25 mags built together to allow the user to shoot 25 rounds flip it over and shoot another 25. But unfortunately it is labeled as working with the charger.

 

[lone-wolf]

Was in the states last weekend and saw that there is a new version of the bx-25 mag. It is called the bx-25 x2 and is 2 bx-25 mags built together to allow the user to shoot 25 rounds flip it over and shoot another 25. But unfortunately it is labeled as working with the charger.

Take 2 bx25 magazines, and tape them together. Don't want bulky giant double ended magazine? cut the tape.
Yep, I'm brilliant.

BC steel lip magazines iirc can snap together in the same fashion.

 

[fireball]

I have a bunch of BX25 mags. Best working mag for the 10/22 ever! The last round goes in as easy as the first. My son uses them in his SR22.

Before some of you marys get bent out of shape, my mags are left at my place in the states.

 

[2tall2]

That is assinine... and I am getting a Charger.

And that will get you what? A Charger is a handgun, limited to 10 rounds.

 

[prevost12]

I have a bunch of BX25 mags. Best working mag for the 10/22 ever! The last round goes in as easy as the first. My son uses them in his SR22.

Before some of you marys get bent out of shape, my mags are left at my place in the states.

Yupp, I had some in the states too. They're fantastic. Never had a singular failure with them. Too bad canada has decided we can't have them here...

 

[tiriaq]

You can have them here. But as pistol magazines, they must be limited to 10 rounds.

 

[mmattockx]

I have a bunch of BX25 mags. Best working mag for the 10/22 ever! The last round goes in as easy as the first. My son uses them in his SR22.

That description fits all 6 of my Butler Creek 25 rounders, easy loading and no issues at all. I had one round fail to feed in one mag on the first run with it. Since then, over 500 rounds without a failure of any sort.

And that will get you what? A Charger is a handgun, limited to 10 rounds.

The charger is NOT limited to anything, the mags designed for it are. Using a 25 round RIFLE mag in the charger is perfectly legal. When will people get this straight?


Mark

 

[Flying_Finn]

Ruger can simply change the part name from the "BX-25" made for the Charger and 10/22.

Call the new unit the "BX-25-R" made for use in the 10/22. No mention of the Charger at all in the ads or packaging. Submit to the RCMP for classification and shazam, we have the BX-25 mags for our 10/22's.

Simple fix. No major legal issue with it at all. Ruger simple does not want to bother since they see Canada as an infinitely small sales option. Even though they would sell like hotcakes if reasonably priced.

 

[x0ra]

Ruger can simply change the part name from the "BX-25" made for the Charger and 10/22.

Call the new unit the "BX-25-R" made for use in the 10/22. No mention of the Charger at all in the ads or packaging. Submit to the RCMP for classification and shazam, we have the BX-25 mags for our 10/22's.

Simple fix. No major legal issue with it at all. Ruger simple does not want to bother since they see Canada as an infinitely small sales option. Even though they would sell like hotcakes if reasonably priced.

Not that easy, cf Ruger's customer service answer quote in post #9.

 

[Flying_Finn]

I read #9. It would be that easy. They just need to have new part #'s and a new RCMP inspection. After all it is a new item. Not the same BX-25.

 

[hoytcanon]

And that will get you what? A Charger is a handgun, limited to 10 rounds.

Apparently you didn't read this whole thread... If it is the magazine which is restricted due to its designation as for a "pistol" or "rifle" then I can use my BC Steel Lips 25 rounders (designated as "rifle" mags) in a Charger pistol... and that changes how I feel about my "need" of a Charger pistol...

 

[Wham-O]

The charger is NOT limited to anything, the mags designed for it are. Using a 25 round RIFLE mag in the charger is perfectly legal. When will people get this straight?


Mark

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