Should this forum be sub-divided

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I've thought for a while that maybe this forum should be sub-divided up into two categories - say, for example, 'Precision Tactical' and 'Precision Competition'. The first category would encompass all the stuff from 'can my SPS shoot past 200m' to discussions about the TRG's AI's and PGW's etc while the second category would be more for discussions about TR, F-Class and BR rigs etc. Of course I have a foot in both camps so I am equally comfortable reading and writing about either but I've noticed fewer and fewer serious discussions about F-Class and virtually none about BR or TR ( of which I personally know nothing ) and so I was wondering if those real serious precision guys have migrated somewhere else, just don't come here because they are tired of reading about what to them are not precision rifles or are there simply very few of those guys out there.

This is nothing to do with some sense of snobbery or elitism but rather it is because I know I have lots to learn and I am sure that if we had more of the uber-precision folks visit I'd certainly pick up something. ( Yes, I can visit 6mmBR.com and other sites but it would be sure nice to have all the stuff here on CGN )

What are your thoughts ?
 
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Definitely would be nice to see more of the competition/technical stuff as I'm only just starting to learn that, even if I'll likely remain a lone shooter most of the time, seems to be the case for most of us eh?

I randomly check a couple other sites more dedicated to competition/benchrest, but noticed they actually don't get a whole lot of traffic either.

If splitting it up could bring more of the precision competition guys back and talking I'm all for it, as much as I don't usually like overly divided forums.



Good time to say Thanks to the guys who are here now and sharing great information!
 
I think this forum has very little to offer F class and BR guys. Like you said all of the "Can my SPS shoot past 200m" dialogue in this forum probably doesn't appeal to most of the purist precision folk out there. Not to mention the typical questions that get raised on this forum:
I want to build a custom for $1000 where should I start?
What is the best factory precision rifle for under $1000/$2000/$3000.....?
AI or TRG?
McMillan or AICS?
MOA challange?
338 Lapua for my first long range gun?
Blah, blah, blah...
Probably too much of the same old $hit especially for guys who don't care about that stuff and have answered those questions 1000 times.
There is only so many times a serious shooter wants to hear about a guy trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

I think that this is only a natural progression though, call it evolution maybe, most of the serious competition shooters out there have been through this before and don't have time for the BS on this site, or most others for that matter.

I think splitting this forum may get the result you are looking for however, because like I said this forum has very little, if not nothing at all to offer the competition shooter.
 
i agree with ivo in the sense the in the grand scale of things this forum has very little to offer any one looking for true precision on a competitive level, when compared to some of the other sites out there.

Tomochan, i too would like to see a sub category for the purest of accuracy but les face it, like you said the serious discussions are few and fewer and quite frankly it seems that any one that shoots a peice of paper with any given rifle, then thinks they have a precision rifle, both sections would be come cluttered with junk posts. it might be better suited to have 2 sections - factory offerings, and a second for custom built. i know its not quite the same, but the custom built section MAY attract more of the competitive guys as most realize that custom is the only way to go for BR etc
 
Monkey, I like your idea but I think that it could be worked out in the labelling. Like the anecdote that goes with each forum already, under its name. I think its a great idea because I know there are some very serious shooters, smiths and the like on here who get buried under all the newbie stuff. Seperating the two would benefit both. I think the competition side of things would be mostly custom builds anyways for the reason you mention. I also think having a forum just for the experienced will get a lot more discussion going as they would have a spot where they don't have to deal with the newb discussions.
 
Tomochan said:
OP edited to be more inclusive :) Of course you TR guys are very special !
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We're Special for sure, we even have our own Olympics:p

In my opinion I don't think we should split this forum. Yes we will see all the same post every week as ivo has pointed out, but everyone has to start somewhere. Maybe need to number the stickys at the top of the forum and when one of these questions pops up, all we have to type in is "see sticky #4 and #7"
 
All of the forums can, obviously, be sub-divided ad infinitum... but to what purpose?

Take Pistols & Revolvers for example: pistols could be split off from revolvers, each of those two split into rimfire and centrefire, IPSC split from IDPA, Mall Ninja from "M&P vs.GLOCK"... etc., etc., but who is going to read - and more importantly contribute - to any of that?

One of the trends that I have seen in the years I've been here is... more people, but less posting, and less intelligent interesting posting. If you want intelligent informed posts... for the most part you are in the wrong place. I would say that a forum like this primarily exists to give noobs a place to start - kind of a "McDonalds"/lowest common denominator type of forum: Canada + Firearms, that's it. Specialized forums need to be on more of a world level. Like all things in Canadian firearms, there simply isn't enough here to specialize. There aren't enough people on here, there aren't enough posts, there aren't enough people posting pictures or anything worth reading or looking at... if we split things down further, it gets to be the sound of "one hand clapping" in most of these sub-forums pretty quickly.

And also, somebody might start out as a "M&P vs.GLOCK" guy or "SPS past 200m" girl, but 5 or 10 years later they are one of better contributing old-timers here - or they join your favorite specialized website and contribute there. You have to start somewhere, even if it is at "McDonalds" :)

If anything I think we might want to look at going the other way. Large parts of the board seem substanially "dead" to me in recent years.
 
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Well, having very recently gone through a newbie thread, of which, I got numerous replies, and very helpful advice from some great contributors and experienced guys on this forum. (Thanks) I personally may have lost out on this if it was divided, the guys that gave the best advice were the guys in "Precision Competition' group, whether my post would have ended up there or not I don't know, but I'm sure a lot of the experience would be lost on the "Precision Tactical' group.

That being said what does it come down to? The loss of experienced guys because they hear the same questions over and over again which they have become tired of answering? Perhaps the signal to noise ratio of quality posts is too low? To me, it would seem that both of those problems could be significantly reduced with a few quality stickies. As a newbie perhaps I could help with what may be useful.

#1 - An poll opinion thread. - I don't know if its possible/enabled here but a whole bunch of polls for community-answered questions would be useful. A lot of people just want this communities opinion their question. AI vs TRG, Custom vs High-end Factory, Bushnell fixed 10x vs Falcon Optics fixed 10x, model 10 vs 700, whatever you can think of, I'm sure we could get a bunch of good questions and the communities collective answers on them. Should weed out a bunch of the typical competition threads.

#2 - Just a FAQ - from the guys who've heard it most, I'm sure you can think of at least 10 questions you keep hearing, this just doesn't exist in the precision rifle forum here.

#3 - Sticky for reviews - If you dig around in the depths of this forum, there are some great reviews on precision rifles, optics and equipment that should be pooled together for everyone too see, don't let that quality material sink to the depths of the ocean.

The MOST important thing for each of these threads is that they are living documents. By that I mean the first post needs to be kept up to date with additions doesn't have to be instantaneous but just keep them up to date, the other important thing to remember is that these do not have to be perfect on the first go. Upon first glance the though of writing these out looks like writing war & peace, just write a page at time, it'll get to were it needs to be before you know it.

So these are my suggestions to make things better here and keep everyone united. Hopefully i can make some useful contributions to these threads as well.

Cheers
 
Coming from a former Moderator who was asked this question numerous time for different forums, the short answer for adding new forums is that there needs to be enough activity/demand for one.........if not then it is just a waste of time and band width.......

So for those who want say a separate F-Class or benchrest forum, you would have to show that there are enough interested members who would sustain and use the forum on a regular basis................
 
CyaN1de said:
Come to the Light side and you wont feel that way anymore.....hahaha
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But here in Ontario the F'ers, for some reason feel like they are the second class citizens:rolleyes:

I can see the attraction to F Class over TR. Watching someone put on a leather shooting jacket, and glove in 80+ temps and laying in the sun for 30 minutes, may not seem like fun to a newbie. But then looking over at the guys in T-Shirts shooting F Class, the TR shooters sanity starts to become questionable.
 
maynard said:
But here in Ontario the F'ers, for some reason feel like they are the second class citizens:rolleyes:...
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We're just jealous of all the nice prize trophy's, medals and plaques the TR boys get and we don't. ;)

IMO, the TR, F-Class and BR crowd is rather small here in Canada and it's true this is mostly a Tactical Rifle forum. The vast majority of money is in selling and gunsmithing Tactical guns and products. There wouldn't be enough interest to float a Precision sub forum only because most of these threads archive if a search is done, so why bother answering the same questions 100 times. The competition guys who are not dealers will jump in when asked about their respective field occasionally, but that's it.
I've seen other sites with BR/F-Class only topics and they are not busy that archive threads also.

blacktemplar07 said:
Well, having very recently gone through a newbie thread, of which, I got numerous replies, and very helpful advice from some great contributors and experienced guys on this forum. (Thanks) I personally may have lost out on this if it was divided, the guys that gave the best advice were the guys in "Precision Competition' group, whether my post would have ended up there or not I don't know, but I'm sure a lot of the experience would be lost on the "Precision Tactical' group....
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The competition guys did jump in heavy in that thread which is not common BTW. It's also winter time and they have time to offer advise.
You have to admit though, you were thinking about Tactical guns and how it would be made into a F-Class machine, but still have a Tactical look.
Folding stocks, McMillan A5 stocks, repeater actions with magazines do not make an F-Class stock. They could be used for it, but are not optimal.

BR and TR are standalone disciplines. F-Class is a hybrid of the two and resemble long range BR guns more today.
In the beginning it was just TR rifles with scopes on them. Later on various Rem 700 varmint rifles and Sniper type rifles showed up, but the winning guns today are highly specialized custom builds. I've never seen Tactical rifles beat purpose built F-Class guns on a regular basis.
 
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