Just me or has the milsurps EE really slowed down a lot...

Well to illustrate the issue, as of this morning, add another buyer to the list of people who said "I'll take it" to a rather nice gun I had for sale, only to say "If anyone else wants it, go ahead and sell it to them, but I'd still like ot buy it".

Translation: "I never had the money in the first place, after several weeks I still don't, and I hope you'll leave it marked SPF from now to eternity in case I ever win the lotto, but if not, I'll understand".

I am NOT Sears Roebuck and I do NOT do layaway!!! Liklihood of my next sale ever reaching the CGN EE is rapidly approaching zero point zero territory.
 
It's really too bad that guys have been doing that to you Claven. The items that you have been posting for sale on there have all been very nice pieces.

Perhaps the best solution from a buyer's perspective is to wait until you have money in hand then do a WTB ad for what you would like? I've done this in the past and have been offered some very nice pieces.
 
I don't think that much has changed, except the number of buyers, hence many very quick deals on the "good deals" everyone wants.

I have been doing two things based on past unpleasant experiences:

- keep a list of fussy, prissy, childish, anxious, paranoid, cheap, arrogant and otherwise "high maintenance" people and refuse to buy, or sell to them. I only have 12 people in that category, so they're really not that numerous, but they can waste a lot of time; and
- respond to WTB ads only by posting the item as a "WTS" and pointing them to it. It seems that the vast majority of WTB are fishing expeditions to exploit ignorance or good will and flip for a profit. This approach makes short work of those, while still responding to the serious.

Those unhappy with slow sales need to accept some responsibility. If your stuff doesn't sell quickly it's either:

- overpriced, at least for the CGN community; or
- poorly promoted.

All said, CGN remains a great resource for buying or selling if you're patient, smart, shrewd, not too risk averse, and on occassion lucky.
 
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Only thing I have against the toys that friend Claven is selling is that they are too damned nice for my budget!

Claven, I hope you don't desert the EE entirely. It is just so nice to see good photos of QUALITY stuff.

On the other hand, if you come up with a Werndl which is fairly close to "NRA Junk" condition, be sure to PM me! I need one and that's about all I will be able to afford.

Oh! for the Good Old Days......... $9.98 Werndls and Berdans, $29 Spencers, $60 complete Lewis Gun kits, $40 Number 4 (T)s with all equipmnt, $35 crates of Carcanos, unfired K98ks at $200 a dozen, $35 Johnsons......... I think I'm gonna cry!
 
Just to be clear guys, I'm not fussed whether an item sells quickly or not, in fact when selling expensive stuff you have to accept the buyer pool is a good bit smaller. I'm really only miffed at people making an honorable commitment to buy something and then not following through. Often I get multiple "I'll take it" PM's within a few hours - I fairly go by the order in which they arrived and politely inform everyone else it's sold pending funds. Those people often go buy the next item on their wish list with the disposable money they had set aside and by the time the first buyer owns up to being a remorseful impulse buyer with no money, the other more legitimate buyers are long gone and my item is on page 6 of the EE with no exposure.

People need to treat a commitment as a sort of verbal contract, or treat a private purchase similar to buying from a business. Tehre are expectations on both sides of the transaction ;)
 
Just to be clear guys, I'm not fussed whether an item sells quickly or not, in fact when selling expensive stuff you have to accept the buyer pool is a good bit smaller. I'm really only miffed at people making an honorable commitment to buy something and then not following through. Often I get multiple "I'll take it" PM's within a few hours - I fairly go by the order in which they arrived and politely inform everyone else it's sold pending funds. Those people often go buy the next item on their wish list with the disposable money they had set aside and by the time the first buyer owns up to being a remorseful impulse buyer with no money, the other more legitimate buyers are long gone and my item is on page 6 of the EE with no exposure.

People need to treat a commitment as a sort of verbal contract, or treat a private purchase similar to buying from a business. Tehre are expectations on both sides of the transaction ;)

That's why I demand payment within 24hrs. If the buyer pays by MO then a pic of the mo will do.
 
Just to be clear guys, I'm not fussed whether an item sells quickly or not, in fact when selling expensive stuff you have to accept the buyer pool is a good bit smaller. I'm really only miffed at people making an honorable commitment to buy something and then not following through. Often I get multiple "I'll take it" PM's within a few hours - I fairly go by the order in which they arrived and politely inform everyone else it's sold pending funds. Those people often go buy the next item on their wish list with the disposable money they had set aside and by the time the first buyer owns up to being a remorseful impulse buyer with no money, the other more legitimate buyers are long gone and my item is on page 6 of the EE with no exposure.

People need to treat a commitment as a sort of verbal contract, or treat a private purchase similar to buying from a business. Tehre are expectations on both sides of the transaction ;)

Ouch - I can see where some might think I was referring to you. To be clear, you absolutely are only on my "Good Guy" list.

Good point - I forgot to mention the "flakes". I haven't personally seen many, but they're on "the list" too. And yes - "That's a Paddlin".

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keep a list of fussy, prissy, childish, anxious, paranoid, cheap, arrogant and otherwise "high maintenance" people Laugh2

Gotta love that one! I love the milsurp EE. It is the first forum I hit when I get home. I have bought some really nice stuff on there.

Poor old smellie!! I feel for you. I bought two Mausers in 1965 for $35 each. My buddy bought a nice No.5 Lee Enfield for the same. "High power" ammo was $4 +- a box. However, I started my first job at 17 for $200 a month w/room and board. I make that every day now, clear.

Being held back on pension is the pits. That's why I plan to keep slugging as long as I can.

To the guys that figure the milsurp EE is lacking - too bad. The rest of us are having a ball buying and selling.:)
 
The EE needs more chromed mosins.

It actually reminds me a bit of ebay. Ebay started as a great online garage sale and soon morphed into big businesses and few deals.

I also think marketing rules that apply in the other areas don't translate to milsurps.

Add a bunch of work to a AR, ask for more money works in black rifles. Chrome a mosin and double the price is a no-go in milsurps.

Conversely see an old gun in hunting and a lowball might work. See an old gun in milsurp and a lowball might cause offense.

Different worlds increasingly crossing paths.
 
I really hope you guys don't stop offering on the EE

I've always been into military history, but only got my PAL last October. Since then I've bought seven milsurps (wife is having an aneurism)....I've been burned a couple times due to my own ignorance (franken mauser that I probably paid 2x too much cause the seller was boarderline lying)...but I'm learning more and hope to build a respectable collection that can be used to keep history alive by preserving them, shooting some, and hopefully passing them on to my daughter or nephews.

I get how you guys get frustrated...but some of us newb's are making a real effort to do business on the EE honourably and honestly.
 
It's really not too bad, KJOHN; I am more interested in HOW they work than how WELL they work on the range. With the health problems I have had in the last few years, I will never amount to much on a rifle range again.

But there are still all those neat ACTIONS to collect. Just this week I paid this month's toy budget..... for a ZULU shotgun. Thing is, there never was a real "Zulu" gun (apart from some marked as such) and it is highly unlikely that a Zulu ever saw one. They are French Tabatieres (Snuffboxes), which are unlicensed, relatively crude and unsafe copies of the Snider, made mostly from French smoothbore Muskets going back at least to 1822. A lot of them are chambered for a 12-bore 2-inch shell, which is what I intend to shoot in the thing..... with .690" 480-grain round balls. With a plastic wad/cup, accuracy should be at least equal to what the guns originally put out in military service: a man-sized target at 100 yards will be hit most of the time, given that it is REALLY unlucky.

And that's enough for me. I'm having fun, I'm still learning about the things and it is an ACTION that I don't have for reference.

Likewise, I am more than willing to take a grody old Werndl which would never be a display piece, just so long as the ACTION is there and the bore is shootable. With a half-decent Werndl to play with, I won't have to sell the cat and mortgage the house to get a SOPER if one shows up: the Soper action was closer to a Werndl than it was to a Snider..... and I already have a Snider.

To me, condition of the inside of the thing is everything; condition of the outside means very little. This is why my "collection" largely looks like a junkyard. Apart from a few nice pieces and a very few minty ones, most of mine have been rode hard and put away wet...... and I have always been like this. I searched for years for a 1911 Steyr pistol, back when none were available and the Internet did not exist. When the Chileno Steyrs hit the market, I was working in Central Newfoundland. Tom Bongalis phoned me at work...... from North Vancouver...... to ask if I was still looking for one. I said "yes", of course, so he told me what they were going for. Well, it was really a no-brainer so I started to say something and Tom cut me off. "Don't even bother saying it, George," he said, "You don't care what the outside of it looks like but you want the best barrel I have. I've already got it picked out for you; here's the serial number......!"

That old gun with its Krnka torque-locked rotating barrel is absolutely the Cat's Meow. With that kind of technology available, 102 years ago, I have NO idea why the Browning dropping-barrel design has even survived! As a consequence of getting this one, the only NEW gun I am interested in trying out would be one of the new Jordanian Vipers, which is a Wildey improvement on the Krnka system.

But a Werndl will show up, one of these days, for a very good reason: the ones which hit the market back in the '60s were in STORAGE for many years. Armies do not STORE junk: they scrap it. But if they had one in storage, it might have been bashed-about and ugly, but it would have been serviceable, more or less. It might not ever be the centrepiece of a fine collection, but I can still learn from it..... and that's what I want.
 
Smellie, I think this is why we get along, it the gizmos inside of these old guns that makes me so interested in them. Just tonight I completely pulled down my parker hale PH5C sight to make some repairs. It's simplicity and precision rivals that of a fine watch.

I often sit on the couch and look at my Ross, watching the bolt head turn and marveling at how well engineered it is, even at 98 years old!

Last night my brother came over and he disassembled the bolt on his model 89 schmit Ruben so I could have a look. Wow is that neat how that one works!! Then we compared the action on my Turk Mauser to his p14, so similar yet different.

And Smellie, as someone who has viewed some of your collection I never saw any "junk" that day. I only saw a who's who of interesting and rare military firearms which helped write history! Guess you had all of the "junk" hidden in the sock closet!!!
 
If people think its a hassle to sell Milsurps on the EE dont sell and stop your crying. If you dont want any hassle then sell your guns through a third party.
 
I really hope you guys don't stop offering on the EE

I've always been into military history, but only got my PAL last October. Since then I've bought seven milsurps (wife is having an aneurism)....I've been burned a couple times due to my own ignorance (franken mauser that I probably paid 2x too much cause the seller was boarderline lying)...but I'm learning more and hope to build a respectable collection that can be used to keep history alive by preserving them, shooting some, and hopefully passing them on to my daughter or nephews.

I get how you guys get frustrated...but some of us newb's are making a real effort to do business on the EE honourably and honestly.

I've had good luck buying my milsurps fom TradeEx
 
I don't think that much has changed, except the number of buyers, hence many very quick deals on the "good deals" everyone wants.

- respond to WTB ads only by posting the item as a "WTS" and pointing them to it. It seems that the vast majority of WTB are fishing expeditions to exploit ignorance or good will and flip for a profit. This approach makes short work of those, while still responding to the serious...
This much I have learned after responding to WTB ads. Only a few worked out fine. Most have said I got 1 or 2 deals I'm working on, but not your reasonable offer. There ad is still up weeks later still looking though.
I have also noticed that 4 of those WTB ads never responded to my WTS ad on the exact same thing I was selling they were looking for and they were online all night. Andy has called it right. I'm done responding to WTB ads. I think I understand why I rarely get responses from my own WTB ads, when in fact I really want it.
 
This much I have learned after responding to WTB ads. Only a few worked out fine. Most have said I got 1 or 2 deals I'm working on, but not your reasonable offer. There ad is still up weeks later still looking though.
I have also noticed that 4 of those WTB ads never responded to my WTS ad on the exact same thing I was selling they were looking for and they were online all night. Andy has called it right. I'm done responding to WTB ads. I think I understand why I rarely get responses from my own WTB ads, when in fact I really want it.

It's the same for me, when I put a WTB it's because I really WANT TO BY it!!!
 
If people think its a hassle to sell Milsurps on the EE dont sell and stop your crying. If you dont want any hassle then sell your guns through a third party.

No crying here, just a bunch of good people partaking in a constructive conversation!!! Most of us on the milsurp forum are "old fashion" and therefore from the experiences I've had with some of them they are men of their word. If they say "I'll take it" its because they'll take it. Not because they wish they had the money to take it.

That's all we're getting at!!:)
 
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I wish we could put SKS's and sporterized Enfields in an entire EE section of their own.

I find the good stuff comes in waves. For almost a year there were no SAFN-49s. In the last few weeks a few ones have popped up and got snagged fast. Same thing with Springfield 1903s. Months go by without one...then a few really juicy ones.

But I do get sick of all the, well for lack of a better word, "junk". Now a full metal sporterized Enfield is worth salvaging with new wood. The restore projects are really well done and to the guys doing them - keep at it! But the minute the barrels are cut down it's never coming back. Put it in the hunting EE. The SKS's...well I see them in ever gun store, every range, and even my hippie neighbor has one! With probably a million of them in Canada alone they are as collectible as my undershirt.
 
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