RCBS Dies & Sticking Cases = Garbage!!!

[3macs1]

Wow, sorry if i offended you. Redding is better than RCBS, don't be sad about it.

You didnot offend me. Just post accurate info . The US is having a hard enough time staying a float and companies like RCBS don't need BS plastered all over the internet with no truth. Many customers like me being raised state side try our best to buy MADE IN USA ONLY and would buy our dies from others if made in china..
Don't know about redding since we have used RCBS here since the late 50's when my DAD reloaded and never an issue.

However have see these comments many times about them over the years

RCBS quickly fixes or replaces anything unsatisfactory, regardless how old so you are never stuck with a bad RCBS product . Too bad Redding would not do the same.

 

[sharp shooter]

You didnot offend me. Just post accurate info . The US is having a hard enough time staying a float and companies like RCBS don't need BS plastered all over the internet with no truth. Many customers like me being raised state side try our best to buy MADE IN USA ONLY and would buy our dies from others if made in china..
Don't know about redding since we have used RCBS here since the late 50's when my DAD reloaded and never an issue.

However have see these comments many times about them over the years

RCBS quickly fixes or replaces anything unsatisfactory, regardless how old so you are never stuck with a bad RCBS product . Too bad Redding would not do the same.

I agree 100% about the customer service! They are amazing to deal with - probably the best.

The person that told me that the dies were made overseas is a very very respectable site sponsor. They indicated that it was the dies only that were made overseas. I believed them as they deal with RCBS daily and I was not the first person that had issues with their dies.

 

[Chinook78]

I think a stuck case is pretty much an inevitable occurrence for most of us, due to a brain fart or part-timers or whatever. As an aside, I tried using the usual 1/4" tap and bolt and I had problems the bolts I had on hand stripping before the case would un-stick, so I stepped up to 5/16" and haven't had a problem since. I'd give the die a good spray out with brake cleaner and, as others have suggested, try a different lube. The only real beef I have with RCBS dies is their locking rings, but that is easily fixed and wouldn't stop me from buying another set.

 

[junkdude]

this has happened to me also . ever since i use imperial sizing wax problem solved .

I use unique sizing lube (similar to imperial? It's lanolin based) disolved in 99% rubbing alcohol, pour into old insect repellant sprayer bottle. Put a few sprays into a ziploc bag throw in your brass and swish around untill coated. dump out into disk to let the alcohol COMPLETELY evaporate (about 10-15 min). Works like a charm. Brass only sticks if alcohol is not evaporated. Never had any problems with RCBS dies, always found their quality was better than Lee.

 

[3macs1]

I agree 100% about the customer service! They are amazing to deal with - probably the best.

The person that told me that the dies were made overseas is a very very respectable site sponsor. They indicated that it was the dies only that were made overseas. I believed them as they deal with RCBS daily and I was not the first person that had issues with their dies.

Well I shared the answer I got the end of Nov of 2011 just before a dumped a pile of cash with them for all new reloading gear since I wanted to upgrade most of my 40 year old stuff. The chargemaster they told me was made over seas and that was it. In fact even asked about the castings for the presses being made in china and finished in the US which was all over other forms at the time and they said No. Cannot see them not telling the truth
Very very respectable site sponsor vs RCBS direct??? one that sells LEE by any chance also. Regardless right now I am happy and bought 8 new dies with zero issues and all new gear from them and I mean all new. That being said I did have to get the 1st chargemaster replaced and I am not sure if I like the powered trim mate station yet..

 

[OEM]

Well I shared the answer I got in Nov of 2011 just before a dumped a pile of cash with them for all new reloading gear since I wanted to upgrade most of my 40 years old stuff. The chargemaster they told me was over seas and that was it. In fact even asked about the castings for the presses being made in china and finished in the US which was all over other forms at the time and they said No. Cannot see them not telling the truth
very very respectable site sponsor vs RCBS direct???

Frankly, I couldn't care less if the dies are made overseas. RCBS stuff is really good quality, and more importantly, they stand by their stuff 100%. Just call if you have a problem. I've also had such success with Lee stuff...although to be fair, I've been lucky and really very little has broken on me. The one time I buggered up a slug mould, Lee just sent me a new one. I also had one where the handle cracked and they sent a new one.

All in, I think US companies are pretty good with their warranties and stand by their products. I just can't afford RCBS stuff brand new. I have their 10-10 scale and I think its the most amazing product, so well made and perfect in every way. I have do doubt that if I somehow manage to bugger it up, I will get a full replacement from RCBS. That's just the way they do business.

 

[3macs1]

Frankly, I couldn't care less if the dies are made overseas. RCBS stuff is really good quality, and more importantly, they stand by their stuff 100%. Just call if you have a problem. I've also had such success with Lee stuff...although to be fair, I've been lucky and really very little has broken on me. The one time I buggered up a slug mould, Lee just sent me a new one. I also had one where the handle cracked and they sent a new one.

All in, I think US companies are pretty good with their warranties and stand by their products. I just can't afford RCBS stuff brand new. I have their 10-10 scale and I think its the most amazing product, so well made and perfect in every way. I have do doubt that if I somehow manage to bugger it up, I will get a full replacement from RCBS. That's just the way they do business.

It's all about how and where you were raised. For me it is MADE IN USA first.
Americans who understand that a reduction in domestic manufacturing directly results in job loss and a weakened economy are fighting for its recovery.
Not the same thought process it seems in Canada.

 

[burnaby]

So your answer was from year and a half ago; they could have since done a WalMart offshoring production. So do we believe a "very very respectable site sponsor" or a year and a half old email.

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Well I shared the answer I got the end of Nov of 2011


From: rcbs tech [mailto:rcbs.tech@ATK.COM]
Subject: RE: Where are your presses, dies, and other products made

All products with the exception of electronic items are made in our factory in (Oroville, California).
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Wow, you really have it in for LEE, cheap shoot. Isn't LEE dies and molds made in GOOD OLD USA in Hartford, WI.

Really like my ChargeMaster, but wait, that not USA.

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Very very respectable site sponsor vs RCBS direct??? one that sells LEE by any chance also. Regardless right now I am happy and bought 8 new dies with zero issues and all new gear from them and I mean all new. That being said I did have to get the 1st chargemaster replaced and I am not sure if I like the powered trim mate station yet..

Made in Canada first, then Made in USA (biggest trading partner?), follow by price.

... For me it is MADE IN USA first.
Americans who understand that a reduction in domestic manufacturing directly results in job loss and a weakened economy are fighting for its recovery.
Not the same thought process it seems in Canada.

So the MADE IN USA LEE dies are NOT garbage

 

[3macs1]

So your answer was from year and a half ago; they could have since done a WalMart offshoring production. So do we believe a "very very respectable site sponsor" or a year and a half old email.

Yep one year 4 months to be exact better than he said she sad. If it has changed please share what proof you have from RCBS

Wow, you really have it in for LEE, cheap shoot. Isn't LEE dies and molds made in GOOD OLD USA in Hartford, WI.

Nope don't have it in for any US die manufacturer, my point was and you totally missed it which is not suprising. Is maybe the sponsor sells LEE also and gets a better mark up on them so it is in their better interest to promote LEE.

Really like my ChargeMaster, but wait, that not USA.

Like I said but you cannot grasp USA first but there is no USA manufacturer of equipment similiar to a charge master

Made in Canada first, then Made in USA (biggest trading partner?), follow by price.

Not for this yank. What a joke that is. What reloading gear is made in canada. Now I know for sure you are totally out of touch.


So the MADE IN USA LEE dies are NOT garbage

Never said LEE were garbage You are saying it not me.. Pretty clear you practise what you preach
3 years of experience repeated 6.66 times? or even better
A smart man only believes half of what he hears, a wise man knows which half.
Have a good one and send a e-mail to RBCS. I have been wrong before but wasn't when I bought my gear

 

[burnaby]

^You definitely retained your American arrogance. The Americans only have themselves to blame for wanting cheap offshore products whilst retaining high American salary, burned by their own greed.

The Canada First is meant in general, not limited to reloading gear (be open minded if you want to be Canadian).


BTW: Next time you provide old info have the courtesy to indicate it.

 

[OEM]

It's all about how and where you were raised. For me it is MADE IN USA first.
Americans who understand that a reduction in domestic manufacturing directly results in job loss and a weakened economy are fighting for its recovery.
Not the same thought process it seems in Canada.

I understand that completely. I was growing up in a 3rd world country that decided to pull its currency out of the market during the asian financial collapse. The thinking was that the collapse was engineered by Soros et al, and that pulling the currency out of the world market would short circuit further manipulation of said currency. The entire world scoffed at the idea, but it worked. And it worked mainly because the citizens of that country decided to pull up its socks and buy only products made from their own country, wherever possible. Made in Malaysia was a really big deal then, and it allowed a struggling country to get out of debt really quickly, and unlike many of its neigbours, it still owned most of its natural assets and companies. Many of the surrounding countries had to suck it up and sell their prized national assets at firesale prices, due to accepting the bailout money from the IMF.

My statement, when I said I couldn't care less about where its made from, was referring to the post you made about RCBS rumours that its made overseas. The company is solid, they stand by their products.

About the Canadian thought-process, you may not realize it, but a great many products that are made in good old Canada, are then shipped over to the US and sold at 30% less, retail. I've heard tales of guys buying htings like Snowmobiles and Vinyl fencing for 30% less than in the very city where its manufactured. The patriotism goes only so far as when you realize you're getting shafted for no good reason. I believe in the free market of course. It's pretty obvious, but bears repeating: The market will charge what the market will pay. Therefore, it is my assumption that a great many Canadians DO buy Canadian. Otherwise, prices would have fallen 30% right?

 

[3macs1]

^You definitely retained your American arrogance. The Americans only have themselves to blame for wanting cheap offshore products whilst retaining high American salary, burned by their own greed.

The Canada First is meant in general, not limited to reloading gear (be open minded if you want to be Canadian).


BTW: Next time you provide old info have the courtesy to indicate it.

Yes sir and very proud of it too.You are going to see real soon the influence the US has on our ability to enjoy this hobby if not already. Probally been canadian longer than you are on this earth but have not lost my fight or balls thank GOD.
Try my best to buy in Canada but where when you are talking reloading gear. Looking for some steel shot last week. ZERO stock anywhere in eastern canada or Ontario. Wsports only place I could find any with shipping landed to my door almost 2 times more cost than I could have it to my door from the US with shipping and fees for legal paperwork. How can that be justified.
High american salary what a joke that is ask my wife who is a teacher. Any how enough time wasted on this foolishness
Oh yes RCBS has two authorized canadian distributors but they are not on our site sponsor list. Interesting and probally wrong also but that is of today's date

Like I said so far my old info is still the most accurate until someone posts the change in writing which I have not seen so far.

 

[tgt40]

I've used Lee dies with a lot of satisfation, to the tune of 10's of thousand of rounds in my IPSC gun - granted this is a pistol caliber but the build quality, materials, fit and tolerances of Lee dies is simply excellent. I wouldn't have one of their presses on my bench but I truly think their dies are top notch.

 

[burnaby]

+1 our largest trading partner who is 10x our size Superpower has enormous influence on us. As a Canadian that is why I buy Canadian first, next American, then price dictates. When Americans prosper Canadians benefit.

Unfortunately the Americans makes it so hard with all the export restrictions.

Yes sir and very proud of it too.You are going to see real soon the influence the US has on our ability to enjoy this hobby if not already.
Oh yes RCBS has two authorized canadian distributors but they are not on our site sponsor list. Interesting and probally wrong also but that is of today's date

 

[TT_270wsm]

Since we happen to be on a Canadian forum, tell us what benefit we Canadians have from buying USA-made products over offshore products, without mentioning the word Communist or spouting some patriotic BS? Supporting the US economy hasn't really benefited us much recently, they've dug a hole that we don't have the sand to fill, even though it will (has?) likely drag our economy down with it.

Otherwise, if purchasing from abroad for cheaper helps our Canadian distributors sell more product to the masses and generate more revenue, how is that inferior to paying more for a similar product from another foreign country that happens to be physically bordered to us?

And as far as reloading products are concerned, we've seen where we stand in the pecking order of the US's sales. LAST on the list.

Edit: I can see how this is coming off strongly, to clarify I do choose Canadian-made first, then American-made before over-seas, but price is always a factor. I just get tired of feeling like we somehow are expected by some land-locked international patriotism to value American-made products over all else.

 

[joe-nwt]

Well, when it comes to customer support, I have a hard time communicating with someone from Bangladesh.

 

[TedNugent]

You didnot offend me. Just post accurate info . The US is having a hard enough time staying a float and companies like RCBS don't need BS plastered all over the internet with no truth. Many customers like me being raised state side try our best to buy MADE IN USA ONLY and would buy our dies from others if made in china..
Don't know about redding since we have used RCBS here since the late 50's when my DAD reloaded and never an issue.

However have see these comments many times about them over the years

RCBS quickly fixes or replaces anything unsatisfactory, regardless how old so you are never stuck with a bad RCBS product . Too bad Redding would not do the same.

I know we're talking Dies here, couple years ago, I bought 2 well used Rockchuckers. When I got the 2nd one, noticed the ram was pretty badly pitted, even on the end where the case holder sits. I looked on their website, but couldn't figure out where to order a new one, so called customer service. Guy on there asks what the problem is which I describe. He has me look under the big nut on top the press for the production date, which I think was
'81. Says "No problem, its under lifetime warranty" and he sent me a new one which I got a couple weeks later. Was really shocked, sure won me over. I own a lot of mechanic's hand tools, most companies 'lifetime' warranty applies only to the original owner.

 

[Cleftwynd]

Whats with every thread on CGN lately turning into a giant argument?

I agree with buying a product made in North America before anywhere else, Canada being first. If we all did that, the cheap garbage would not exist, we would still have manufacturing jobs, and export a LOT more giving strength to our economy. But the politicians and big business would rather line their pockets with easy money fast, than build a solid domestic economy.

RCBS as of two months ago told me on the phone the same things 3macs1 posted from over a year ago, I also await proof of these "made in China" rumors.

 

[Flying_Finn]

The first thought on this thread was simply: they are small base dies that are not marked as such.

Ironically, I have Dillon, RCBS, LEE and Hornady dies: the one set of Hornady dies I have has the exact same problem as above. If I set the crimp, for an example only, up to 1.363 on a case of 1.363 I get no crimp at all. If I set the crimp, in the same example, from 1.364 to 1.366 on a case of 1.363 I start to see a crumple and cannot feed the case into the chamber; with a setting of 1.369 on the die the crumple is bad.

I have never had such a problem on the Dillon, RCBS or LEE dies ever, or any problems with them actually.

Thank you for letting me know I was not a complete f'tard as it seems has been insinuated from many to those of use with RCBS die issues. lol I have no idea why these dies do what they do. I just know I threw in a set of dies from another manufacturer and they work fine. Seemed to be almost no real rhyme or reason to it. The smallest adjustment would ruin the case. As for the case mouth not being similarly sized between cases so that they would hold a bullet without having it drop right into the case is another mystery.

 

[caustic]

I only have RCBS dies , the work flawlessly for me....