Arma-Coat illegal in IPSC Production?

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I am looking to get in to IPSC after doing some training. I have ordered a Sig p226 from Arma-Coat and I've been thinking about getting them to put a finish on it (not sure what). But would this make it illegal for IPSC production?

I read some of the rulebook trying to find out and it says that options that are given by the original manufacturer are legal, but changing the color or finish is prohibited. Changing the color really make enough of a difference for it to be prohibited?
 
Yes.

Even re-bluing a gun which has been worn is technically illegal for Production as per D4 16.1

Absolutely insane and stupid. But you know who to thank for that rule.

I'd say that you can get away with reapplying the same finish, or doing something like arma-coating a Glock frame in FDE as it was available that way from the factory. But anything else that wasn't offered? I wouldn't. You wouldn't have any issues at most matches, but it only takes that one **** to question it and you may well have a match invalidated. Or be placed in Standard / Open.
 
Hmm thats what I figured. Guess ill have to hold off for now then I wouldn't want to get bumped up in to open or standard quite yet
 
kingdarb said:
With all the games people play with their production guns.. and having a non-stock colour is against the rules.. :)
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I'll post pictures when we get the factory engraved team guns in hand.:pirate:

The official word is that only refinishing performed by the manufacturer would be considered. If the factory offers it as an option, it's probably ok.
 
Unreal & laughable!!!

That rule is some kind of stupid! HA HA HA

And, it confirms to me that my decision to walk away from IPSC years ago, was right!

Cheers
Jay
 
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater...

Most of these issues with rules can be traced to ONE person.

As much as I believe that USPSA is better off than IPSC is, they have their share of problems too. For example, Dave S. shoots a gun in production that isn't...actually produced.
 
TV-PressPass said:
That is hilarious. Let me know how that whole "growing the sport" project goes.
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You mean on top of being in 90+ countries around the world (and growing), and being the most participated in division??
You bet, we'll let you know how the growing the sport thing goes......

I'm not defending the rules, or the person who was responsible for them, but there is a tiny bit of logic to it.
Firearm is supposed to be production.
If you want to play with it past what the rules allow, there are other divisions you can compete in.
 
pauls said:
You mean on top of being in 90+ countries around the world (and growing), and being the most participated in division??
You bet, we'll let you know how the growing the sport thing goes......

I'm not defending the rules, or the person who was responsible for them, but there is a tiny bit of logic to it.
Firearm is supposed to be production.
If you want to play with it past what the rules allow, there are other divisions you can compete in.
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I agree with this.

To an extent.

There are things that are commonly done to a gun that aren't allowed. Rubber slip-on grip? Many LEOs carry that on their duty pistol. If you have it on your IPSC Production pistol? Welcome to Standard.

Of course, trigger jobs, slide cuts, etc... all that makes sense. But as OP asked: a purely cosmetic change? Or putting a sticker on your gun? That makes no sense.

As do many other rules, but that's beyond the scope of this thread.
 
Unregistered_ said:
I agree with this.

To an extent.

There are things that are commonly done to a gun that aren't allowed. Rubber slip-on grip? Many LEOs carry that on their duty pistol. If you have it on your IPSC Production pistol? Welcome to Standard.

Of course, trigger jobs, slide cuts, etc... all that makes sense. But as OP asked: a purely cosmetic change? Or putting a sticker on your gun? That makes no sense.

As do many other rules, but that's beyond the scope of this thread.
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Agreed.

It is a good sport in general, but the 10,000 rules and regulations that really do nothing and are just an excuse for some guy to pull out his rulebook to cite a violation on page 92, section 15, paragraph 3, line 2, etc.... it just kills it for me.

I honestly want to like it, but I find that everytime I go to a match, there are just guys #####ing about rules, which is a shame because it promotes some of the best shooters and some of the fastest shooting in the sport.

That's my opinion, I'll leave it at that.
 
pauls said:
You mean on top of being in 90+ countries around the world (and growing), and being the most participated in division??
You bet, we'll let you know how the growing the sport thing goes......

I'm not defending the rules, or the person who was responsible for them, but there is a tiny bit of logic to it.
Firearm is supposed to be production.
If you want to play with it past what the rules allow, there are other divisions you can compete in.
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Unregistered_ said:
I agree with this.

To an extent.

There are things that are commonly done to a gun that aren't allowed. Rubber slip-on grip? Many LEOs carry that on their duty pistol. If you have it on your IPSC Production pistol? Welcome to Standard.

Of course, trigger jobs, slide cuts, etc... all that makes sense. But as OP asked: a purely cosmetic change? Or putting a sticker on your gun? That makes no sense.

As do many other rules, but that's beyond the scope of this thread.
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Agreed.

For Production to really be Production, the rules on modifications need to be fairly tight. As much as we take the piss out of Vince, you either hold the line or give up entirely.
 
Kevin M. said:
I honestly want to like it, but I find that everytime I go to a match, there are just guys #####ing about rules, which is a shame because it promotes some of the best shooters and some of the fastest shooting in the sport.

That's my opinion, I'll leave it at that.
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Take a word of advice, expand your horizons. Try to shoot at different clubs, with different squads. You are going to run into guys pissing and moaning in every sport. Nobody makes you join in.
 
Wow guess I didn't realize this was such a hot button issue being new at this lol.

I agree that the whole point of the production class is to make sure that the firearms are stock with no crazy mods making it about who has the most money. I can see changing the texture of the finish on the slide to maybe get a better grip being an issue, but getting a different color of thr same type of finish should definetly be allowed.

Oh well. Im definetly not going to let that put me off from trying the sport, I'm still very excited to give it a shot.
 
Jamie said:
we need a new style of action shooting
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Yes....you guys hit the nail on the head. A whole new shooting sport with no rules to get in your way and where we would all be free to paint our guns any colour we want. Cause that is what it's all about.

That is until the rules that you wanted and worked for you are viewed as stupid and obsolete by others who then decide to start another shooting sport with the rules they want. Pretty soon we can all have our own shooting organization. Oh to dream.

More shooting and less whining about why you quit/gave up/dropped out of IPSC. Blah blah blah

To the OP, yes according to the rule book you are not allowed to arma coat your gun which does seem silly but I'm sure was put in place to stop someone from say applying a gritty grip enhancing finish all over their gun. Some of the rules are a little frustrating but pick a gun get some ammo and give Ipsc a try. I bet you'll love it and if you don't give something else a try until you find your shooting sport. I'm sure whatever sport you pick there will be rules that you won't agree with but because you enjoy it you'll choose to focus on what really matters and not the BS. Do me a favour, when you do find your passion, promote it as much as you can but don't go online and s**t on a sport that wasn't a perfect fit for you like others do.
 
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