Question for the Swiss Arms Classic owners ...

it takes no tools and less than a minute to remove the factory bipod, finding a cheek riser is easy as are any parts to find. its usually harder to find the money to buy it as they don't come cheap.
 
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No. The triggerpull on these rifles is very nice indeed. Mine breaks very crisp after takeup. The bipod just slides out sideways from the lower handguard when removed, very easy. Take it off and get rid of it it blows, phuck bipods on service rifles anyway.

To everyone who thinks its too heavy for a 20" barrel rifle, the gf had no problems runnin and gunning with it last weekend for a half hour straight standing and she's just a tall skinny thing soo....;)
 
swiss trigger is very nice. pay attention to barrel twist. they come in 7 and 10. Target models with the flip sights are in 7, my blue star is in 10. shooting about 3 inch groups(10) at 130y with federal bulk plinking ammo. this is after approx. 6000 rounds down the pipe. Only one FTF so far. I like the balance with a heavy zeiss scope on mine. this is my go to gun and is worth every penny.
 
Mine is a tool like a shovel or an axe, (mind you a really expensive axe!). It goes with me everywhere I go. Portability is great with the folding stock, and reliability is second to none. I have had mine for about 5 years now and I have ever had so much as a hiccup with it. A precision rifle it is not, but a supremely high quality, piston driven battle rifle it is. Mine's on my never sell list. Buy once cry once I say.


Cheers, YC
 
J996 said:
I have owned mine for 4 years, it always comes out with me.
- Best irons period.
- As reliable as it gets (4000 down the pipe now, not one hiccup in all that time).
- It is the one rifle I will never sell.
- Very accurate for a service rifle, especially at 300 yards.
- Screams quality, very finely crafted.

The bipod: Chuck it in the parts bin, never look at it again.
The weight: Suck it up buttercup.

Forgot to add: With irons its perfect. With optics they mount high on diopter models. The only magnified optic I have found to work for me on this rifle that's clean, light and does not feel like a compromise or piss me off while shooting is my Acog ta11 on a real SIG 551 detachable mount. Yes I still need the cheekpiece.
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^^^^Pretty much this

And I have said it before and will again, anyone who thinks these rifles are overly heavy hasn't looked at the real specs, they are comparable to most piston guns of comparable length. The Swiss didn't design these rifle's to meet Canada's stupid gun laws. The 17.9" barreled carbine, and the 14" barreled carbine's are where it's at. Those of us rocking the full length models do so based almost entirely on the non restricted status. Even then compare these rifles with other piston guns with barrels of similar length, they are not super heavy as this myth seems to suggest.

And if you can't handle the weight, then as others have said, get a gym membership, and suck it up, if ya can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen.

H&K 416 with 19.9" barrel, 8.5 lbs
Swiss Arms with 20.79" barrel, 8.6 lbs without bi-pod
Swiss Arms with 17.9" barrel, 7.94lbs
IWI Tavor with 18.1" barrel, 8.1 lbs
Robinson Arms XCR with 16" barrel, 7.5 lbs (Now add the extra 2.5" of barrel to make it non restricted, I can't find the official weight of our NR models)
Bushmaster ACR with 16.5" barrel, 8.2lbs
H&K G36 with 18.9" barrel, 8 lbs
H&K SL8 with 20.08" barrel, 8.6 lbs
AR-180B with 18.5" barrel, 6 lbs (With the poly lower this is definitely the lightest weight piston gun I've found so far, I don't know if it's beatable)
 
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Steve Janes said:
^^^^Pretty much this

H&K 416 with 19.9" barrel, 8.5 lbs
Swiss Arms with 20.79" barrel, 8.6 lbs without bi-pod
Swiss Arms with 17.9" barrel, 7.94lbs
Tavor with 18.1" barrel, 8.1 lbs
XCR with 16" barrel, 7.5 lbs (Now add the extra 2.5" of barrel to make it non restricted, I can't find the official weight of our NR models)
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Very helpful data, thank you. The XCR is on par with the other as in overall weight, 2/3 the weight is in the front and mid center which makes it feel heavier, the weight should be in center or like the Tavor in the rear, just saying.

I would like to add the PE90 without the Kyle Rail -7oz and the B&T scope rail -4oz. :)
 
ACR with N/R barrel is better. ;)

I've owned almost ALL of the different models of the Swiss Rifles - they really are works of art. High quality machine no doubt.

The only thing I didn't like about the NR rifle was the lack of flattops (at the time). THe Irons on these guns are THE BEST- but only if you like irons. Scope rails make the optics have to sit waaay up there. If I had to do it again, I'd seek out a flattop model.
 
Ummm...maybe...what's the bet? ;) if it's 'looks cooler posing in the mirror' I might win. :)

Ambi controls make the acr better for me. LAR mags are a plus too. Better trigger (not stock), and built in cheek rest. Swiss is a fine platform...I just find the acr feels better for me.
 
The fact that the Swiss dents brass can be put to your advantage if you reload because you can count the dents to know how many times your brass has been reloaded. I use an E&L brass catcher to save my brass both at the range and for coyote hunting. I am working on getting a load that will make my Swiss as accurate as my Kel Tec RFB (MOA at 200) but finding the sweet spot seems to be taking more time. One of my never sell rifles. Buy it! You won't be sorry.

Bill
 
J996 said:
To everyone who thinks its too heavy for a 20" barrel rifle, the gf had no problems runnin and gunning with it last weekend for a half hour straight standing and she's just a tall skinny thing soo....;)
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the rifle is NOT heavy by comparison to others its simply front heavy, and very front heavy by comparison this makes off hand shooting much more difficult to obtain accurate hits than say with a tavor. they handle different which takes getting used to due to the nose weight. I used to know the exact balance point of all these but age is catching up to me now. there is a reason it comes with a built in bipod.
 
Tikka223 said:
What kind of accuracy can I expect from it? Honestly?
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1.25 MOA, I noticed people in this thread saying 1 MOA, I've never seen it myself. Except as a fluke, but if you average it I would say 1.25 MOA.

How bad does it chew up brass (I like to reload, but it becomes very frustrating when the brass gets really chewed up)?
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Big dent in the side, and big claw mark from the extractor. Can be reloaded I would say but not often.

9lbs!! That's heavy! Is the weight mostly up front or does it feel nicely balanced?
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Up front, designed to be shot from a bipod, not off-hand. Off-hand I find the best technique is to use 5-round mags and hold the bottom of the mag.

The barrel doesn't look super heavy. Do the groups open up considerably when the barrel heats up? Ex after 30 rounds?
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Mmm... define "considerably", but I would say they do open up.
 
Its made like a Rolex .. The rifle feels like its really worth what you payed and will outlast you, its a very overbuilt rifle, the iron sights are some of the best i ever used . the Tavor at almost the same price does not give me that feeling.
 
Airborn_69 said:
There's at least 4-5 CGN'er that I know of who took the time & money to convert their restricted PE90 Carbines to 18.5''. (Rumour, the cost was about $900+ to get the whole deal done).
There's your perfectly balanced, accurate, extremely reliable Non-Restricted!
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Any idea who did the work on these? I'm starting to think this is the way to go. Sorry for resurrecting a thread that's been dead for a month.
 
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