Rob Arm XCR range report (pic heavy)

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Wow, OP goes out of his way to show off his rifle and discuss his experience and more people criticize him then discuss the merits of shooting.

This is so lame. It's not scientific research he's doing, he's demonstrating a practical shoot with his new toy. Can't recall the last time people like TDC took a rifle out and put up a perfect, unbiased range report which would survive the critics of the forum.

OP thanks for sharing, is this the older run or the newer one? I can only tell a difference in production by the FAST stock, which you don't have.
 
copeland said:
Wow, OP goes out of his way to show off his rifle and discuss his experience and more people criticize him then discuss the merits of shooting.

This is so lame. It's not scientific research he's doing, he's demonstrating a practical shoot with his new toy. Can't recall the last time people like TDC took a rifle out and put up a perfect, unbiased range report which would survive the critics of the forum.

OP thanks for sharing, is this the older run or the newer one? I can only tell a difference in production by the FAST stock, which you don't have.
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Here's the one I did with my Swiss Arms.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-update-post-32&highlight=swiss+arms+accuracy
 
TDC said:
You're not getting it. Those AREN'T GROUPS! Several TEN ROUND GROUPS are needed to accurately determine what the rifle can do...
TDC
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Of course they are, they're 3 shot groups, which is the common and correct terminology. You may call them 3 shot gatherings, but that's just you.
 
I agree. The rifle and shooter shot well, what more needs discussing? Last time I checked no animal needs to be shot 10 times through the same hole so I think this is just internet commandos throwing their internet weight around. Pathetic indeed.

copeland said:
Wow, OP goes out of his way to show off his rifle and discuss his experience and more people criticize him then discuss the merits of shooting.

This is so lame. It's not scientific research he's doing, he's demonstrating a practical shoot with his new toy. Can't recall the last time people like TDC took a rifle out and put up a perfect, unbiased range report which would survive the critics of the forum.

OP thanks for sharing, is this the older run or the newer one? I can only tell a difference in production by the FAST stock, which you don't have.
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Sharpshooter jr. said:
Okay so there was a definite misinterpretation with my understanding of the critique of my "group" size. My background is precision rifle shooting and I'm a bit of a handloading addict, I have yet to retool to load for the .223 so I'm using this cheap ammo. In precision rifle shooting my understanding is that 3 shot groups were the previous standard as to see how a rifle would preform with a certain load, so that's what I did with this rifle, I will be shooting again in a few hours and I will shoot 10 round "groups" to appease the critiques. Just to clear things up this is a stock barrel and there is 2x 3 shot "groups" on the target, as to my former understanding of the definition of a "group". But these critiques are good, it will improve my knowledge and help with my ascent out of the dark category of a "newbie". I plan on keeping the optic, I like the DMR style look to the rig, it was inspired by the Larue OBR, not to be compared with the OBR but I just like the look.
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I'm sorry If a performed a threadjack and put a negative spin on your thread. During the fall, I helped 3-4 people site in their rifles and man, they didn't have a clue. The 3 shot thing is just a pet pieve of mine.

I guess if you have a good accurate rifle, and our an experienced precision shooter, you can probably get away with 3 shot groups even though it's not statisically correct. But I think for a gun like the XCR, if you really want to see what it's capable off, 5-10 shot groups are much more relevant. I've seen too many people thinking they have sub moa 3 shot groups, but when you superimpose their shots onto one target, it's more like 2" (assuming they didn't touch their scope settings).

Though I will say, even with those 3 shot groups, they show good promise and skill. The best 5 shot group I got with my XCR was with 1 1/4 at 100y. I believe the load was 24.6gr varget, and 69gr SMKs with federal small rifle match primers. Your gun is awesome, and looks bad ass with that monster scope on it. Happy shooting.
 
Anyone that says a 3 shot group is not a grouping likes to critique.

Having said that I don't trust 3 shot groups. Had too many where after a tight 2 shot group flinch on the third shot and lo and behold, lands between the first two. No excuse of luck with 5 and esp. 10 shot group.

OP> For bench shooting a S3 8-32x is really nice. Only problem is with the len cover on it sits over the exhaust port so get all carbon black. Don't need a spotting scope, neat to watch each bullet land.
 
supernova said:
I agree. The rifle and shooter shot well, what more needs discussing? Last time I checked no animal needs to be shot 10 times through the same hole so I think this is just internet commandos throwing their internet weight around. Pathetic indeed.
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You seem to have missed the point entirely... 3 shot groups don't show what either the rifle or the shooter can actually do, although I'm sure the OP is a good shot. I'd love to see the OP post some good groups, the smaller the better, but they'll need to be 10 shot groups (because that actually shows something) before he gets a pat on the back.

I posted a link to the thread I did on Swiss Arms accuracy. Tons of data and pictures. So if I am "throwing my internet weight" around, I would like to think that it has been earned, because I actually go out, test these things and post the results.
 
MC One Shot said:
Good shooting.........3 shots are fine to get an indication of a firearms/load capabilities. You read more and more of firearm reviews using three round groups particularly when handloading for the review. Only time and usage will tell how consistant the accuracy will be. I will have to try some Fiocchi as well and see If mine will do the same.
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Again, some of you don't get it. Three shot "groups" are a waste of time. They may show the beginnings of a trend, but they do not offer any form of merit with regards to the ability of said rifle/ammo/shooter to remain consistent from shot to shot. That means, a three shot group is not worth the paper its printed on. As for gun rags using the three shot group, that is far from valid supporting evidence. A lot of the contributors to the rags are morons. If we are to accept a three shot group as valid, then I'm all in for a one shot group.

copeland said:
Wow, OP goes out of his way to show off his rifle and discuss his experience and more people criticize him then discuss the merits of shooting.

This is so lame. It's not scientific research he's doing, he's demonstrating a practical shoot with his new toy. Can't recall the last time people like TDC took a rifle out and put up a perfect, unbiased range report which would survive the critics of the forum.

OP thanks for sharing, is this the older run or the newer one? I can only tell a difference in production by the FAST stock, which you don't have.
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If you don't want to be criticized then don't post on a public forum. Time for some here to grow some thicker skin. As for my "range reports" I don't shoot from the bench at a range. I hit the field and shoot targets and animals. I train, and I practice. With something like an XCR or what I generally run, accuracy is far from my greatest concern. For starters, the XCR is not an accuracy based platform. Second, I'm not interested in printing tiny tiny groups on a stationary piece of high visibility paper from a known distance with the aid of ballistic software. In addition, I couldn't give a flying rats a$$ what anyone on this forum has to say about my gear. I'm more than capable of making a decision about my gear without concerning myself with how "cool" I will look at the range, or how many other enthusiasts will want to hang out with me. The entire discussion of accuracy in a non precision rig is a non starter.

Grain said:
Of course they are, they're 3 shot groups, which is the common and correct terminology. You may call them 3 shot gatherings, but that's just you.
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They're more like a 3 shot hangover ignorance from many years ago, which serve to make the shooter feel good about themselves without confirming the capability of any factor involved.

burnaby said:
Anyone that says a 3 shot group is not a grouping likes to critique.

Having said that I don't trust 3 shot groups. Had too many where after a tight 2 shot group flinch on the third shot and lo and behold, lands between the first two. No excuse of luck with 5 and esp. 10 shot group.

OP> For bench shooting a S3 8-32x is really nice. Only problem is with the len cover on it sits over the exhaust port so get all carbon black. Don't need a spotting scope, neat to watch each bullet land.
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Well said..

TDC
 
Just finished shooting the 10 rounds groups
So just to recap, 2x groups, 10 shots a piece, 124 meters, prone, stock barreled XCR, factory ammo
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Can I have my credit now?
 
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So that was a waste of 10 extra rds. Are the internet commandos happy now? Or did the OP not do it good enough? Maybe let's make it 40 shot groups, 20 right handed 20 left handed plus an essay on why you should be accepted into the secret squirrell club? Lmao
 
Again, nope.

Ar180shooter said:
You seem to have missed the point entirely... 3 shot groups don't show what either the rifle or the shooter can actually do, although I'm sure the OP is a good shot. I'd love to see the OP post some good groups, the smaller the better, but they'll need to be 10 shot groups (because that actually shows something) before he gets a pat on the back.

I posted a link to the thread I did on Swiss Arms accuracy. Tons of data and pictures. So if I am "throwing my internet weight" around, I would like to think that it has been earned, because I actually go out, test these things and post the results.
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