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how many time a 80cuft scuba tank fill @ 3000psi will be good to fill a 500cc tank ( airforce condor) before going under 2800psi ?

I m looking to get a 80cuft scuba tank for 200$, but I dont want to be disapointed

any experience with those tanks ?

thanks

Seb
 
I don't have an airforce condor, but have a Hatsan PCP rifle, and it can be filled so many times I've lost count. I also don't worry about it getting down to 2800 psi because the velocity goes up as the pressure falls from 2800 psi. I forgot where it peaks, but you might be surprised that high pressure fills aren't the be all end all.
 
The best way to get full 3000psi fills is to get a 4500psi (or bigger) cylinder. When I was into paintball we rented a 4500psi cylinder and got lots of 3000 fills.
 
I like to fill at 3000psi to get as many shots as possible out of the condor........ its pretty hard on air!

ive seen bottle that goes up to 4500$, but they are not selling for cheap. and I dont know if the scuba shop can fill at that pressure. the 80cuft at 199$ is a pretty good deal.

but if after 5 fills the scuba tank is down to 2800 and 2500 after 10 refills........ maybe I will look for something else
 
Keep searching kijiji and the like. I found a 100cu.ft. 3300 psi tank, freshly tested and filled, for $120.
Wow, that was a steal. I was at the local dive shop yesterday and their 100cu.ft steel tanks were over $600.

I've got a 120cu ft 3400psi tank that I bought new a few years ago. I'd hate to replace it now.
 
I just use a common aluminum skuba tank. I also use it for diving, but not often. I generally get the tank from the dive excursion.
 
I just use a common aluminum skuba tank. I also use it for diving, but not often. I generally get the tank from the dive excursion.

Yeah I bought my tank for diving also.....long before I even thought about getting into pcp airguns. Bought it because its very negatively buoyant when empty and I could take some lead out of my bc.
 
You need a dive ticket for a scuba shop to fill your tank

No you don't. Thats just a dive store policy that varies from place to place.

I have been thinking of getting a boost pump to keep my tank topped up but they are so damn expensive. Couple of affordable ones showed up on Ebay but they didn't ship to Canada.

You could also look at a "shoebox" compressor to top up you tank, but I would feel better about it if they had a filter.

One of these day I might just bit the bullet and buy a compressor. I shoot a fair amount of PCP airguns, and it would probably last the rest of my life...I hope.

GC
 
Forget the scuba tank and get a hand pump. Five minutes of effort to pump up you cylinder and you never have to re cert a tank or run to the dive shop. You can get a good pump for the price of some of the tanks mentioned above. Below is a section of an article available at Pyramid Air.


You're about to take the plunge and buy your first precharged pneumatic (PCP) air rifle or pistol. Great! Now - how are you going to fill it? Scuba or hand pump? The choice is yours, but do you know everything you need to about the pump?

While I was the Technical Director at AirForce Airguns, I repaired all the hand pumps that came back, plus I worked on a small batch of returns from before I got there. There weren't many, so I probably fixed between a dozen and 20 hand pumps in three years. Doing it taught me some things about the hand pump that not too many people know. For example, I learned that the biggest cause for pump failure was not letting it cool down after a five-minute session. The only other cause of pump failure was owner disassembly. I never saw a pump fail for any other reason, nor did I ever see a bad pump that came that way from the factory.

We sold the what used to be FX pump from Sweden with a fill adapter for all AirForce airguns.
In this article, I would like to give you enough information to decide if a hand pump is for you. I'll do that by describing the operation in detail. Hand pumps that sell for more than $200 are almost as big a purchase as an air rifle, but you can't shoot one. It's more like a hot water heater. If it works, you don't think about it at all; but, when it breaks, everything in your life comes to a screeching halt. Homeowner or renter - it doesn't matter - we all need hot water. And, the owners of precharged airguns need high pressure air.

A scuba tank can take care of business very well, and a carbon fiber tank can do even better, but there will always come a day when you're down to 2,200 psi and the dive shop is closed. The hand pump never runs out of air. As long as you are breathing, your pump has what it needs to fill your airgun.

CAN you really pump to 3,000 psi?
Yes, you can. But it's not entirely easy; some effort is involved. If you generally avoid physical tasks, the hand pump may not be for you. But if you don't mind a workout for five minutes or less, the hand pump can be the best way to fill a PCP. You probably already know what it's like to pump a multi-pump pneumatic like a Sheridan Blue Streak. Well, they get up to around 1,000 psi, so pressurizing air is not foreign to you.

The hand pump is a more rugged version of what's built into the Blue Streak, and it goes up much higher - 3,000 psi. What makes it more difficult is that the guns you will fill often don't drop below about 2,000 psi, which is higher than the highest pressure the Blue Streak generates. You will pump up to around 3,000 psi for many PCPs, though not all of them go that high. So - you start pumping at the point where the air is already at a very high level, and you will take it up even higher. That's why the hand pump takes more effort than the pump that's built into a Blue Streak.
 
No you don't... Some just say that...

No you don't. Thats just a dive store policy that varies from place to place.
I have been thinking of getting a boost pump to keep my tank topped up but they are so damn expensive. Couple of affordable ones showed up on Ebay but they didn't ship to Canada.

You could also look at a "shoebox" compressor to top up you tank, but I would feel better about it if they had a filter.

One of these day I might just bit the bullet and buy a compressor. I shoot a fair amount of PCP airguns, and it would probably last the rest of my life...I hope.

GC

Well like I said you will need a dive ticket to get a scuba tank filled at OK 90% of the dive shops ;)
 
I own a nice Hill handpump, its not that bad to pump a 490cc tank, but its more like 10-15 min..... lets say your hunthing gopher, you need to refill every 50 shots ( at 75% power ) so thats can be lots of pumping for an afternoon first but the main problem is it is not a realy good place for the pump with the dust and dirt in the field.

if I can get a good number of refill out of a 80cuft scuba tank I will be happy with that.
 
Well like I said you will need a dive ticket to get a scuba tank filled at OK 90% of the dive shops ;)

Yes, I would agree with that.

The large majority want a dive cert, but not all.

Topping up an airgun tank with a hand pump would be ok, but topping up a scuba tank would take some work.

GC
 
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